There is a man in Indonesia who is a master of the ancient Chinese science of neikung, or “internal power.” His name is John Chang, and he is my teacher. Mr. Chang was first presented to the world in the award-winning documentary series Ring of Fire, filmed by the brothers Lorne and Lawrence Blair; his privacy was protected by the rather ignominious pseudonym Dynamo Jack. In this documentary Master Chang shocked the world by demonstrating the impossible: First he generated an electrical current of high amperage inside his own body to heal Lorne of an eye infection, and then he “zapped” Lawrence (and their sound recordist) utilizing the same energy. In a dramatic conclusion Master Chang then used this bio-energy to set a crumpled-up newspaper ablaze, warning the researchers that the same power that had healed Lorne could readily be used to kill a man as well.
So begins The Magus of Java, a wonderfully entertaining book by Greek engineer and martial artist Kosta Danaos. After watching the video below, Kosta traveled to Indonesia, became an indoor student of the Mo-Pai, and wrote two books about his experiences.
Ring of Fire: East of Krakatoa
These books do not detail the secret Mo-Pai training methods, only noting that they include sitting and standing meditation. However, they are filled with fascinating information on the history of martial arts, medicine, spirituality, and esoteric practice—plus a few anecdotes about telekenesis, fortune telling, and immortality.
Greek god Hermes visits Asclepius and his daughters
An ancient Western depiction of kundalini energy?
Years ago, Kosta entertained questions about nei kung, the Mo Pai, and his books on the Wenwukuan website forums. Unfortunately, he decided to shut down the English-language website in 2003, and I didn’t think to download a copy.
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204 responses so far ↓
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chenquestion
// Mar 10, 2007
This is very interesting, Martial Development. Thanks for publishing it. The title of your post alone is certainly enough to warrant a look-see.
So I did. I have the same mixed feelings about “paranormal phenomena” as many people do. But I’ve decided that it’s a matter of understanding or perception. In other words, “paranormal” is a tag, nothing more, a little cookie-cutter sometimes used to help bolster what we believe we know about the Universe.
I’ve heard of Kundalini but never looked into. This was my chance, so I did and I found:
“The kundalini paradigm hypothesizes that the operation of a psycho-somatic evolutionary mechanism in the human frame, sometimes called kundalini, is responsible for genius, creative expression, psychical perception, inspiration, and other paranormal phenomena, when its workings are benign, and insanity when the mechanism goes awry.”
I’ll be darned if I can fault anything in this paradigm, if I don’t allow myself to be scared away by what I preconceive “kundalini” might stand for or contain. So I’d better try to learn more. Part of me says that all this stuff can be explained by modern science and a mechanical sort of worldview. But I’ve learned to distrust the All-Seeing Microscope just a bit. Thanks again for a hard-to-ignore challenge!
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dion
// Apr 19, 2007
i am very curious about the inner arts does anyone know where in Java this master is and if he is still alive.
cheers
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Kebenaran
// Apr 20, 2007
I remind everyone sifu not teach now. If you looking him is for nothing.
repeat
I sifu know more than 20 year. kosta book wrong many. standing exercise he make self. many people talking just imagination only. western student befor training mopai little little understandng. all wrong. not listen learning other an wrong make. gone now cannot control emotion. after make many story internet. taking money people. many chinese studemt same. emotion control cannot. now only local student an one western student andreas. must good heart an deep level meditation can. sifu no one give permission teaching this. must level 4 then can. sifu now documentary coming. door closed now. many come angry going. no see sifu. spending much money coming. you want learning cannot. master this qi only deep in china mountain. chinese speaking not same like city speaking. maybe you finding master different qi can china city. different qi not so powerful. little same only. not trick you money on internet say I bring you master. good luck.
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Thomas
// May 1, 2007
Nice faux pidgin, Kebenaran.
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Chris
// Jun 21, 2007
Kebenaran,
Thank-you for representing your teacher.
It is unfortunate that when I have finally found a true master I cannot learn from him, but at least I know they still exist.
If you read this please say thank-you to the master for showing enough to let us know this power is still on earth.
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kakorothasgoneinsane
// Jun 29, 2007
how do I contact D.J. or any of the Blair brothers, it is imparitive that I speak with one of these three. If anyone has any way or info. let me know
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Steve
// Jun 30, 2007
If you could teach me what John Chang taught you or know of someone who could teach me let me know.
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Chris
// Aug 16, 2007
“Teachings of an Authentic Taoist Immortal” is the subtitle of Kostas’ book. Please do not take it as my personal endorsement.
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Nadis
// Aug 22, 2007
Kebenaran
With all due respect, Your comments are very informative and heart felt, It is obvious that you are dedicated to preserving and protecting both the true art of love and light , as well as the privacy of your dear friend. This is quality many have chosen to sell out on simply for the jewels that materialistic gain has to offer. I tip my hat to you with great respect.
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Pailonen
// Aug 26, 2007
Kebenaran is right. I’m John student. Sifu Chang not teaching anymore. Everyone love chikung can still teaching with another master. I think there is so many master in mainland China or you can see master Zhou Ting Je in Ripley’s believe or not. I think his chikung very well.
I want both of you don’t expect so much with John ability. Maybe that is one of billion people can be like him. That is not easy to learn John ability even I myself. I hope my explanation could be help everyone on this forum.
Thank you so much….^_^
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Fabius
// Sep 5, 2007
In the book of Kostas Danaos, Sifu John Chang said that he wished a Mo Pai student in every country: what about this idea if he does not accept any other students.
Of course, people can change their mind but I found it was a great idea: millions of people would have benefit from the practice of Nei Kung and most health problems could have been simply deleted for ever.
I am wondering why he changed his mind and what made Kostas change his too.
Best regards
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neikung
// Sep 7, 2007
There are many things that Kosta wrote that Sifu may have not actually said and it is just what Kosta may have thought sifu wished for. For example Kosta being an indoor disciple it not true. I guess it sounds nice.
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yogip
// Sep 8, 2007
I believe there are many paths, some estoric martial arts we may never even of heard of but they may be practised by monks or hermits who live in the mountains of tibet or korea, or some wilderness
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neikung
// Sep 8, 2007
Yes indeed there are many paths. There are many martial arts as well but the physical manifestation is not as important as the internal cultivation practises. If there is no chi then all the kung fu that you have will not be worth much. I would tend to think that those hermits or monks would probably be focusing most of their time in cultivation with some at the physical level.
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Kun Lin Dalini
// Oct 25, 2007
WHY IS Mr Chang not teaching anymore??
This is a time when the planet needs as much love and assistance as possible. Each magnificent universe blessed with the dedication and wisdom to cultivate such abilities would be such an amazing gift to mother earth. I do not understand!!
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Kun Lin Dalini
// Oct 25, 2007
What I mean is simply this. I can understand the level of attention that Sifu chang was subjected to must have been overwhelming and that in turn could divert his concentration to aspire to greater levels of his wonderful path. My humble query is why has he stopped teaching ..
Could it be that we have lost the ability to put aside our egos and look not to achieve the levels beyond our self made limitations for the vainity of wealth. I ask this question with the deepest respect . I think that it may be because these gifts which can only be attained through hard work and dedication are both scientific and spiritual and possibly, man is just not adept and ready to to selflessly embark on such a journey.
That could only mean that Sifu chang and all those before him are great master way ahead of our time. Hopefully one day man will be able to enter this wonderful world endowed with these great gifts and can help heal mother earth and mankind .
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Kun Lin Dalini
// Oct 25, 2007
By this i mean the gerneral population and NOT Sifu chang..
sorry sometimes my fingers cant keep up with my thoughts..
Could it be that we the people have lost the ability to put aside our egos and look not to achieve the levels beyond our self made limitations for the vainity of wealth. I ask this question with the deepest respect . I think that it may be because these gifts which can only be attained through hard work and dedication are both scientific and spiritual and possibly, man is just not adept and ready to to selflessly embark on such a journey.
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neigung
// Oct 25, 2007
Dear Kun Lin,
Your innocent question does not go unheard. There are many paths and many people far more powerful then sifu Chang. They lie hidden, away from the common folk. Sifu Chang went away from the oath he took and began to teach all people, regardless of skin color, culture.
Many of these masters are pre destined to attain these powers. It was surely not only in this lifetime that he awakened the force, rather he spent many life times in cultivation.
In any case think of the ramifications if he taught indiscrimintely, unlike the ancients before him. What if a student dies from the training or a student mis uses this power as many do, what karmic responsibility falls on sifu Chang?
People are humans and if this power is awakened we are still humans. It is up to the person how they use it. A person with powers can do much great or much bad as master Lim from the Magus. How do we learn to control mind, emotions, this power when awakened?
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4thlevelmopai
// Nov 2, 2007
All hope is not lost.
David Verdesi has already achieved level 4 of mo-pai. He has attained yin yang kung. This was only possble under the strict tutelage of yin yang kung masters. These masters has demonstrated Lei Shan Dao abilities such as burning t-shirt of a visitor or telekinesis on video.
To find out more please visit:
http://foundation73.proboards55.com/index.cgi
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Kun Lin Dalini
// Nov 2, 2007
I believe nei kung is the science of the future and the great science of the masters of ancient kemet. The incredible dedication and responsibility that must be endured in order to help mankind can and should be likened to that of a surgeon or a specialist brain surgeon. I think we have miss understood that nei kung is not a martial art but rather a spiritual science of our higher selves. It is and should be looked upon as the balance of the flow of nature. And it may well be the future of mankinds achievements and the eventual ladder to our future generations becoming higher enlightened beings.
So I say Dr Chang if you are reading this ” You have chosen a select few as you have been instructed to do so as to carry out the line in to the future. And for that I say job well done and lets hope mankind will eventually see the big picture”
Hope this mail does not cause and problems with other peoples veiws.I say this with absolute humility and with the utmost respect for all we have given their time and effort to write on this page..you are all part of the great creators incredible plan to take mankind up to the next level of in- volution
Namaste
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robert chuidian
// Jan 2, 2008
like many i am sadddened that master chang does not teach anymore, however i do hope that he still continues to heal. if anyone can offer information on this i would appreciate it very much. thank you very much.
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Lilaki
// Feb 8, 2008
Master Chang, I am here, what next?
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Lilaki
// Feb 8, 2008
Lilacblossoms41 at yahoo (Upstate NY)
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neikung
// Feb 12, 2008
Dear robert chuidian ,
Master Cheng does heal still but he is inaccessible to most, at least he wants it that way and his masters want it that way. This all has to do with karmas and oaths that have been taken long ago. People have karmas amongst themselves but also, groups, countries and planets, if you understand this. Now having siad that if it is your karma to meet people like this you will. They do not for all intense purposes want to be found by everyone. People in the past have used all kinds of ways to find him, most have failed some succeded (after many years) but he still does not want to be found. He is happy living the life he lives away from publicity. This brought him a lot of problems. Mainly students with bad intentions. The publicity he did not create but was created. These problems still plague him to this day.
There are others that claim to have many abilities and try very hard to lead people into believing this. Believe what you want, be sceptical. All the answers lie within. Look within and you shall find what you are looking for. Until later. Peace.
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itry
// Feb 13, 2008
what price does it take…to learn the levels..?
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neikung
// Feb 14, 2008
There is no price as far as money is concerned. The only price is your time, energy and personal sacrifice. Many so called masters are making a great cost from westerners and others alike. The true secrets have no cost attached. They are not of this world so how can cost be part of it. Money is something of this world. These masters have no concept of money. Peace
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Aioria
// Mar 28, 2008
neikung
how long have you been a student of sifu Chang
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neikung
// Mar 28, 2008
several years now
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Aioria
// Mar 28, 2008
are you also from Indonesian
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neikung
// Mar 28, 2008
Dear friend,
I am not from Indonesia.
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Aioria
// Mar 28, 2008
ohh i have been a student of my teacher for almost 15 years wen i saw the video clip in youtube i though that my teacher was the only one that could use chi at that level
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neikung
// Mar 29, 2008
The video clip from youtube was actually taken from a documentary that was done in 1986 originally the ring of fire. It was just a 2min part that featured shrfu John Cheng. There are others that can do these things indeed but they remain hidden from the world as they do not want the attention it brings as one can see. Shrfu Cheng would have also remained hidden to the West but the will of God had other plans. I would like to speak with you in more detail if that is ok with you.
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aioria
// Mar 31, 2008
that fine with me my email is aioria9421@yahoo.com my teacher ones told me that no man can question the word of of God or the plan that he has for us do you agree
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Natal
// Apr 21, 2008
Dear neikung and aiora,
I would really like to get in detailed contact with you. Since a long time I practiced seriously Taiji, QiGung – meditation with some great experiences of force and maybe skills? But in 2005 something must have gone wrong!? I became badly sick and had so many symtoms in soma and mind that all people around me failed to help me and I was near suicide, going through hell every second of every day but did not give up!
Somehow now I feel a bit better and try to get in touch with people or masters who really know what they are talking about. Don`t misunderstand me, I have been visiting my teachers in China, but even they tried but coulden`t help me. I feel that something strong happened and still takes place. I feel so much like starting to practice again, as I tried inbetween the last 3 years some times, but with bad result. Maybe I touched ungarded some places you should not go without a guide? So please if you could get in contact with me that would be very kind! My email is rotezora_1@yahoo.de
Thanks a lot!
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Michel
// Apr 28, 2008
I am looking for a old soul who can understand the truth and now i see i have found one.
Since i was a child i had inner sightings of future ,places things to come and spiritual visions.
Memmories before my birth and such.
I Long for a better world.
Unfortunatly our society only have a intresst of making us into consumers so the true knowledge is lost ,so we need to fight the rest of our lifes to find ourselfs.
I dont feel at home inside in a house when i am outside i feel free and connected to the truth.
People all around the society have all build a mask och false feelings and crave on your knowledge like a starving wolf.
If i cannot get in touch with the truth and its meaning this life means nothing to me.
The spirits are with me and around me.
A period of my life i could contact them in my inner self but nowdays i live in a to much stressed inviroment that i need to fight of my minds addaption to so i cannot find inner peace in myself.
Meditation helps but man is an addaption of ones sourandings and that is the major problem to full development.
Also that the old knowledge of the truth is forgotten.
Why is the meditation a secret?
Listen to me to be able to use your yin and yang you must be awarre of your feelings ,right?
How then can people use it to harm i havewondered for a long time?
Please i need to get in contact with this teaching.
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neikung
// Apr 28, 2008
Dear Michel,
Please leave me your e-mail.
Blessings.
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Michel
// Apr 28, 2008
Hello my dear soul.
Mail is .. = knas_jedi@hotmail.com
Wery happy to see a respons. ; )
I hope you live a life in hapiness and visdome.
May your karma be pure and strong.
Best of wishes and bless you.
Mike.
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Michel
// Apr 29, 2008
You might have some problem to see my email becouse of this line _ between knas and jedi .
I will be looking waiting for your answer if you so wish.
I wish to live a simpel life.
For many years now i have dreamed that i vill travel away and meditate the rest of my life in the wild and i can feel something pulling at me.
I wish you the best my dearest souls.
May your heart be strong and your mind clear.
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Sandro
// Apr 30, 2008
Dear Neikung,
It have been 2 years since I started to look for someone in real contact with the MoPai tradition. I make Michel words my own about the deep concerning of the human disconnection with the Nature and the need of a real path to help us to reconnect and enlight.
Please contact me at this email:
alkazam@bol.com.br
Best wishes
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Michael
// May 7, 2008
Neikung – I happened across your site – I find that you deeply honor your teacher and your teacher honors you. Nice to see your paths have come to enter once again the circle you have shared in the past….
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Rak
// May 11, 2008
neikung,
First of all, I thank you for helping out as much as you can thru internet. I’m indeed one of the many seekers out there, also one who has been searching, reading, and questioning, about this world we were made to believe. However, I understand that this world, the universe is way bigger than our knowledge, so I kept my mind open, then something led me to a video clip titled ‘John Chang’ on youtube..
At that time I was looking into ‘zero point’ energy, which led me to ‘chi’.. Along the way I’ve seen many fakes; if you know what I mean.
Well, I’ve read both Kosta’s book and I’m reading it again to understand his way of explaing yin and yang..
Could you help me to understand, a little guidence would help me greatly. My email is ‘Kenneth22k@yahoo.com’
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Rak
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Rak
// May 11, 2008
Also,
Any good books you recomend? please reply at ‘kenneth22k@yahoo.com’ Thank you.
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Chris
// May 11, 2008
Neikung,
I wonder if you and your master are aware of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKuXuDCPfds
Chris.
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Brandon Pearson
// Jun 12, 2008
Hello my name is Brandon Pearson i am 17 years old and i live in roseville CA USA.
ever sense i was 7 years old i have been interested in the teachings of nei kung and chi gong.
if i were given the chance if would devote my self entirely to chang sifu and his teachings by the time i turn 18 i am going to save up all the money i can to go to Indonesia and find john chang.
my main goal in this life is to find the full potential of the human mind and body and i believe i have finally found the man that can help me achieve my goal.
i am more than willing to devote the rest of my life to these teachings.
i have thought about seeking out john chang everyday and nothing will deter me from my goal
please email me back with questions of comments.
voice_ofa_riot@hotmail.com
i also have msn.
Thank you.
Brandon Pearson.
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Brandon Pearson
// Jun 12, 2008
Neikung.. are u a student of john chang?
please message me at me email
voice_ofa_riot@hotmail.com
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robert chuidian
// Jun 16, 2008
dear nei kung,
i would like to apologize for the late reply. i dont normally surf the web and when i last posted my comment i was expecting that your reply would be forwarded to my email address. i just chanced upon your site once more and saw your reply to my post.
i understand and appreciate what you have said. i would like to know more about mopai from you if it is okay.
thank you very much. respectfully yours,
robert chuidian
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neikung
// Jun 16, 2008
Dear Robert,
Please give me your e-mail address. Thanks
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Brandon Pearson
// Jun 17, 2008
Dear Nei Kung
i withdraw my previous question i understand that you are not allowed to answer certain questions.
Peace.
Brandon Pearson
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wayne
// Jun 21, 2008
Dear Nei Kung,
I recently came across this blog and saw your postings regarding the mopai. I have been very interested in finding instruction and would like to hear more. How can I contact you?
Thank you very much for your time.
Wayne
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neikung
// Jun 22, 2008
Dear Wayne,
Please leave your e-mail address. Be careful there are people out there that want your money and it sounds suspicous.
Take care,
Neigung
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wayne
// Jun 22, 2008
Dear Nei Kung,
Thank you very much for your response. I appreciate it tremendously. Please contact me at your convenience.
tao33@aol.com
I look forward to hearing from you.
Wayne
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matt morris
// Jul 1, 2008
I wish to learn the teachings of the Mo-Pai. If anyone has any information on how I can learn them, please, get in touch with me!
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neikung
// Jul 2, 2008
Hi Matt,
Please leave your e-mail address.
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Jesse
// Jul 16, 2008
I read Kosta Danaos’ books several years ago and was captivated by the idea of neikung. I was so influenced by The Magus of Java and Secret Teachings of the Warrior Sages that I began seriously mentally planning a trip to Java in search of John Chang – using only the vague clues from Kosta’s books and anything else I could find. I eventually abandoned this idea, discouraged by those claims that John would not accept any more students.
And now, by “chance,” I’ve happened upon this forum. Only I don’t believe in chance or coincidences. I am glad to have those two to three years between now and when I first learned of neikung and John because it provided prolonged reflection. I wanted that power. Gradually, I asked myself why. I discovered two reasons: 1) power so that I could feel empowered (in other words, to selfishly boost my ego), 2) to help people (that overused, generic statement). But somewhere along the line of repeating “I want to help people” to myself, I discovered an interesting complexity in that word “want.” Whenever anyone says that he or she wants something, it implies that they do not have that something. Hence the wanting. Likewise, whenever anyone says he or she wants to do something, it implies that he or she is not doing it at present. This constituted a major turning point in my life. I stopped wanting to help people and started helping people – even if it wasn’t in the grandiose way as I imagined myself after learning about John. I worked with what I had. I changed many aspects about the way I live in order to minimize or eliminate direct and indirect harm to others.
I have grown since reading those books and no longer desire the seemingly supernatural power of neikung simply because of its power. I genuinely hold the desire to help people – on a much larger scale than what I’m currently capable of. I’m not looking for martyrdom or superhuman abilities. I just want to increase my ability to help others in ways in which I am presently unlearned. I have been looking for a teacher like John all my life. I have always been skeptical of the different energy healings that are always popping up these days with the emergence of New Age phenomenon, perhaps increasingly so. Yet, for some reason, John is the only person I have not doubted.
This is my path (as cliché as that sounds). I have felt it for a very long time. And I will walk it whether I have the unique opportunity to meet or study with John Chang… although I imagine I will stumble less along that path (and be less likely to hurt myself) if I have someone like John instead of blindly experimenting in unfamiliar territory. I’m not so foolish as to ask for John’s location. I know it doesn’t work that way. But I also suspect that he isn’t fully finished accepting pupils. Perhaps I’m wrong. If you are indeed a student of John’s, Neikung, I would very much like to speak with you – it doesn’t even have to be about neikung if you like – and learn more about you/from you. Thank you for the hope you’ve given the others, myself included, on this forum. Kebenaran and Pailonen, I thank you too for your comments. It means a great deal to many of us to have you here offering your words of advice.
As always, peace.
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Mike
// Jul 17, 2008
We must awake the inner guru.
Selfknowledge and compassion is a key to many gifts.
We are all addaptions of our sourrandings and out thoughts is a product therebuy.
Also realise that different individuals have different abilities and also that not everyone can develope sama skills as some of them takes many lifetimes to develope.
An old soul is an old soul.
Start with the basics and it will all come to you and you will also understand what range and area is your speciality.
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Ivan
// Jul 17, 2008
Dear Neikung,
I had read a few years ago the book written by Kosta Danaos. It appealed to me. I’ve bought books to find who is real and who is charlatan. It is very difficult to distinguish, but I chanced upon this blog and I find you, Pailonen and Kebenaran. Unfortunately Master Chang is not taking in more students, but I can understand his position, I would very likely do the same thing. Please give me some guidance. I would very much appreciate it.
My email is if313@hotmail.com
Thanks
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neikung
// Jul 18, 2008
Dear Jesse,
Please leave your e-mail address and I will respond.
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neikung
// Jul 18, 2008
Dear All,
Mike has a valid point.We must awaken our inner guru. It is through these teachings that we can begin to do this. The innter guru must get polished, refined so that one can communicate effectively with the inner God. Some people listen to what they think is their inner guru and are lead astray, worse they also lead others astray. We see many examples of this everywhere not only in other forums but in daily life.
We have been hidden from the truth for so long it does require effort and guidance to be lead back to the divine path.
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Mike
// Jul 18, 2008
My dearest Neikung Its me Michael(Mike).
Since i have taken part of your techings i have started to develope many sides and i know and understand myself in a whole new different way.
Life have become story and a mystery,, also i find out that you can use the chi for many things.
It is exacty as you said.
But what have the strongest effect on me is the ability to heal.
I have been sick for a wery long time and the healing effect is wery powerful indeed i have never feelt so energized ,, i have but long long time ago.
Before this i was sick for a wery long time.
Maybe this is why i respond extra to the chi and where able to respond back to it.
I have never feelt this strong, good, light.
I also start to understand how everything works.
It all comes from understanding your feelings one must be wery awarre of both feeling and thought, that is a good start.
A couple of days ago i started to have future visions again,, and i now realise this come from third eye and i also managed to realise what parts that where involved in this higher vibration state in the mind.
You have helped me alot master and i dont know how to repay you.
But one thing i know for sure ,, karma allways finds its way and you are a wery special good soul.
May the spirits be good to you, may your karma be pure and compassionate.
You have been like a light in the darkness.
Thank you wery much,,, i will keep in touch as i progress.
Sincerly: Michael one of your karmic brothers .
I hope you the best.
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Jesse
// Jul 19, 2008
Neikung,
My e-mail is: jezwaldo4@yahoo.com
Thank you
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Spartan
// Jul 22, 2008
Hello, Neikung ,I have been looking for John change or a person like him all my life,I would like to ask you questiuons about training without breaking tradition,Please email me at spartanarbitor@yahoo.com.OH by the way I can feel your chi and I can tell your training is going well,If I may offer a suggestion, when you are doing your work out,make it feel good and you will see a change,and when you do please let me know.take care.
Spartan
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Spartan
// Jul 22, 2008
Hi, again made a mistake,My email is spartanarbitor@yahoo.com
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Setare
// Jul 25, 2008
NeiKung,
I too am very interested in the mo pai system, if you are willing, please email me at setare5000@googlemail.com
Thank you very much,
Setare
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Serge
// Jul 26, 2008
NeiKung,
I am very interested in the mo pai system, if you are willing, please email me at middo@i.ua
Thank you very much,
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silence
// Aug 4, 2008
All of you posting are all “please, thank you’s, and yes sirs” because you are greedy and think you will get a bone thrown to you. Don’t worry about chang he is of no importance to you…… show some wisdom and move on.
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Cobra-Kai
// Aug 4, 2008
silence i agree with u completly all this please teach me crap is not doing anything chang did’nt write this he does’nt read it he proberly does’nt even have a fucking computer ur talking to air if u read the article and watching the video u will know he went away somewhere
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Eric
// Aug 13, 2008
This has been a very interesting discussion until…
Let’s keep this going.
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Eric
// Aug 13, 2008
I have had an ability for some time now, but I don’t know what it means. Allow me to explain:
At will I can invoke some type of “pushing” emanating from my head that goes throughout my body. It’s like a surge of energy. I can do it at any time.
But it doesn’t seem to do anything other than a powerful sensation all over my body.
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neikung
// Aug 13, 2008
Dear Eric,
Please leave your e-mail address to discuss further.
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Stephen L
// Aug 14, 2008
Dear neikung
I would really like to contact with you. if only once. I had practiced acu body therapies for 7 years when I moved location to when I became married. After the move I found it hard to pic up new clientele and remember feel masses of energy within myself continually now I was no longer treating 50+ perople a week.
Then after years of perfect health and strong vitality my memory and speech disapeared over night when I woke up one morning unable to express myself apart from mumbling stunted sentences where I often forgot what I was trying to explain.
This led to great depression after spending all my available effort re-teaching myself to speak clearly and remember again.After a year I became suicidal and hopless and 2 years on I still have to remind myself that my son deserves my guidance as a father to try to seactivate constant thoughts of suicide.
I am still not working I am on the verge of bancruptcy with massive debts and seem to be stuck in a world in my head where interaction with the people and the external world seems divided by a being slighlty adrift from this world.
My email is sly191@hotmail.com.
Blessings to you and your Masters whether you can help me or not.
Namaste
Stephen
But in 2005 something must have gone wrong!? I became badly sick and had so many symtoms in soma and mind that all people around me failed to help me and I was near suicide, going through hell every second of every day but did not give up!
Somehow now I feel a bit better and try to get in touch with people or masters who really know what they are talking about. Don`t misunderstand me, I have been visiting my teachers in China, but even they tried but coulden`t help me. I feel that something strong happened and still takes place. I feel so much like starting to practice again, as I tried inbetween the last 3 years some times, but with bad result. Maybe I touched ungarded some places you should not go without a guide? So please if you could get in contact with me that would be very kind!
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wang
// Aug 14, 2008
Hello nei kung, I would love to speak with you if that is ok. I would love to ask you a few questions. You can email me at wmurasaki@yahoo.com
Thank you very much and God bless
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Bijan
// Aug 14, 2008
Dear neikung,
I have been trying to find out as much information as I can about Mr. John Chang and his teachings without much success. I am very interested in finding instruction or any information about Mo Pai.
- Beginner exercises/meditations.
- Finding a teacher or school.
- Finding Mr. John Chang himself or one of his students.
- Anything that would help me learn about chi.
Thank you very much in advance.
showdang22@yahoo.ca
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Stefan
// Aug 16, 2008
I don’t know who you really are.For a long time I felt you were near me but I was afraid,now I feel lost but stronger.Please come again and show me the way
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neikung
// Aug 17, 2008
Dear Stefan,
Please leave your e-mail address.
Blessings
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Thunderbird
// Aug 17, 2008
“WHY IS Mr Chang not teaching anymore??
This is a time when the planet needs as much love and assistance as possible. Each magnificent universe blessed with the dedication and wisdom to cultivate such abilities would be such an amazing gift to mother earth. I do not understand!!”
oct 25th post. unbelievable. I recommend everyone check out stewart swerdlow expansions q and a section to learn a few things. what a piece of selfish shit that guy posting that is. as if we are all here to serve him, because thats what he really means. if he was concerned about the earth he wouldnt be to worried since one man isnt going to get it done. the earth problem is much bigger than if some guy names chang is using and teaching chi or not. his worry was chang isnt there for him to show him the way….so he cried and complained.
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Dardon
// Aug 17, 2008
Thunderbird, John chang ( not his real name ) isnt teaching because he broke his promise to his master he would not accept any non-chinese students, and he broke his promise on 3 seperate occasions. This happened back in 2003 i believe, but in 2000 he passed one of his students onto the 3rd level of mopai when he was not suppose to. I guess his dead master found out and was very very upset. He is not aloud to be the master of nei kung or acceot any new students. Some people may say other wise but this is coming from my own teacher.
The world does NOT need nei kung, it is dangerous and if you get to a certain point ( yin yang gong ) or the thunder path, you risk your entire life to move on to more advanced levels. Its said only 1 in 1,000,000 people can achieve the thunder path, so if there was nei kung schools all over the planet actually planning on going past level 3 then there would be alot of men dying. Nei kung was never suppose to leave China, and i wish it stayed there were it belongs.
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Dardon
// Aug 17, 2008
My bad, i didnt know thunderbird was quoting someone who stated that lol. Well atleast everyone knows this information.
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neikung
// Aug 17, 2008
Internal practises have been practised in many places outside of China. Many Indian sages such as Buddha and Bodidharma travelled to China to spread their knowledge. It is true that the Chinese then expanded or modified teachings to suit the times, culture and environment. It is mans eternal quest to return to the truth. This is one of the reasons many systems were developed. In anceint China there were many wars, disputes, bandits, etc. People out of necessity and desperation began to develop arts that woud protect themselves and their people along with offer a path towards enlightment.
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neikung
// Aug 17, 2008
Thuderbird,
I am not sure which article you are refering to by Stewart? It is true that the planet is suffering, global warming, catastrophes, peoples internal bodies are changing with the changing earth. Their bodies are being affected by the changing climate. As the earth begins to change more, people will begin to change more.
Each person has a certain role in life, there is no exception for a Master. A Master has a certain duty. Sifu John Chang took an oath and he is bound by certain rules. He has already broken those rules to teach non Chinese students and he was punished for doing so. If it is your destiny to receive these teachings then you will.
These teachings do require a Master for guidance but those that are sincere shall receive guidance from Masters that are not physical. One must cultivate a good heart, good morals, kindness, compassion and love. This you do not need a Master for. Begin to examine yourselves. Begin to examine your minds, your souls. Ask yourselves the next time you speak badly to someone or seek greed or think of something bad. Begin to examine your thoughts. Like attracts like. If you want to seek power just because you never will. It is when you are not seeking something that you shall receive.
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Thunderbird
// Aug 17, 2008
I am well aware of a shamans duties. I am an initiated shaman. A person has no other duty on this earth besides knowing the self. If he chooses to do that with healing others, that a choice. If he chooses to not, that is also fine. We are only here for one reason. Learning ourselves, there is no other duty.
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Jim McMillan
// Aug 18, 2008
Naikung,
I am “John Changs 1st Westerner student” on youtube. I am unaware of who you are…and when did you become accepted in the Mo Pai?
Can you finish Pak John’s Indonesian
last name, Bah_ _ _ _ _ _ _… just to support your claim, and when did you start? Jim <truesearch46@yahoo.com
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Thunderbird
// Aug 18, 2008
Jim McMillan,
Would you be willing to leave me your email address, or email me at a—–@hushmail.com. This will have nothing to do with trying to find out about Chang, or trying to get secrets from you. I won’t even mention him for that matter.
Thunderbird
[Email address removed at author's request.]
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Brandon Pearson
// Aug 19, 2008
Dear, Jim McMillan
my name is brandon pearson i come to the website almost everyday.
i wish to speak with you and ask some questions. please leave me you email.
maby you can help point me in the right direction for my ultimate goal in life
i am 17 years old male and liveing in california USA
my goal in this life is to Learn the full potential of the human mind and body and watching john chang i belive he can help me.. i am willing to devote the rest of my life to such teachings i am very serious about this. when i become of age i will start to seek out masters of Mo Pai in the most remote areas of the earth hopefully sifu chang will one day teach again.
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Thunderbird
// Aug 19, 2008
I have news for everyone. There are more serious students on the path besides Chang. I’ve seen a Ninjutsu man disappear before my eyes, I’ve been frozen so I couldn’t move by a Pencak Silat Guru, the invoking of spirits in ceremony so I could actually hear them, and had a few astral witch wars with some pagan witches. This is besides all the mundane things I’ve seen like minor prophecy (psychic readings) and so forth. I have news for you at 17 you have absolutely no idea what you want. You will change a million times before your days are up. That’s healthy and normal. Your energy is scattered and insincere. Keep plugging away.
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Brandon Pearson
// Aug 19, 2008
Dear Thunderbird
i dont think so..
i have wanted the same thing ever sense i was a small child
u are not talking to your average 17 year old kid from USA
i no i must prove my self worthy of such teachings but how can i when i will not even be given a chance.
i realize that it is best to mature and become wise from a young age so i can build on it for the rest of my life i love seeking wisdom and i always want more. ..
so thunderbird i will not change my mind a million times because the same thing has been on my mind for many years..
i will seek out a teacher.
i will devote my self to his teachings
even if such teachings demand me to face a wall and meditate for years.
i will strive to become enlightened.
thunderbird i understand your doubts in me actually persueing this goal because not many people especially one from america are interested in such things. i am open minded and understand your claim but i am afraid you have the wrong idea about me.
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Mike
// Aug 19, 2008
Mike….
All the answers are inside us all.
We must awake the inner guru lost and trapped by addaption of the consumer society and false knowledge like a onion with different layers of lies and perception and perspective and awarreness where the true self lies in the centre. Finding inner peace and calmness especially by first calming the mind by breathing should be everybodys intresst..
Breath is the key to everything.
We must realise our true nature.
Life is a mystery the more you observe it, the more it starts to remind you of one living in somebodys else dream.
Dont take anything for granted everything has a reason.
Truth = Store energy , transform energy , produce energy= energy only transform = Couse and effect = Balance = Everything is an addaption of its sourrandings even man and mans thoughts.
Everything expresses its addaption and self ” Everything”
And all have balance in uniwerse (nature) but not man .
(Wisdome Lost?)
For death there is wisdome for life there is compassion.
God is truth and truth is behind the process of the laws wich also we are a part of and everything else “it is both inside us and outside us and infinite in all ways”.
Infinite compassion and wisdome is god but the key = Balance
Balance is what everything seeks to find to express.
Man try to find balance by finding partner and trying to be happy.
But as consumer society is based on lies and mind addapts one cannot find inner peace.
That is why the life for the awarre person is a struggle every day not to adapt to wrong things.
Addaption goes on in mind on deep layer of the self
(The 8 folded path)
Words are for chasing thoughts.
When you hold the truth in the silence not of this world in meditation of reeched right emotional and spiritual intelligence there is nothing to explain.
the more you know the lesser there is to explain.
The soul is old and hold the answers.
I sometimes have the ability to see into future.
I now realise that is has been acumulated over lifetimes and i think same comes to chang.
Becouse everything has a reason and there are not so many chang in world and karma have put him on hes destinys road in life where he is now based on hes choices and actions thought feelings etc etc .
But one can also form destiny to certain degree but control otherwise is illusion.
all is one.
The soul is old but the soul also have different leverls of wisdome deppending on what one learned from former life and experianced and what choices one took.
When it comes to chi and meditation awarrness and feelings
That westerners call it person chemistry etc etc.
There is to much wisdome to be unsolved on the road to enlightment but the key is not logic.
Logic thinking is a only a beginning and a big obstacle to understand emotional intelligence wich is the real key to spiritual intelligence.
It is like in kungfu.
All movments are circular or halfe circular.
But they are broken up and placed into category and given names so one understand their use and meaning unders certain occasion.
Until you learn form only have meaning in begginnig then you realise to be formless and to use feelings mostly at contact at practice (This can be explored) and then to flow according to the principles of truth.
To be awarre one must be able to live in the now.
One must be ready to die for today to live tommorow.
One must trust onself.
One must separate from the bad self.
To flow one must not have an anchored view.
One must learn from the past according to the principles of the laws of energy and truth to be able to find ones flow in the now.
Chi in bodys and uniwerse and places on earth works just like a klockwork where some wheels fits better in some places than another ,, then you also have chi charged areas where karma flow extra easy and colours are extra bright etc etc.
This are good spots for meditation.
Something happens to humans around 30 years old if they have good addaption.
I say spirtual blossom.
If addaption + (Emotional intelligence & Good Karma) is in right place.
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Neo
// Aug 20, 2008
Mike
Thank you very much.
At last someone that is helpful about this subject.
Many here asking for help.
Many others are unhelpful and some have a bitter energy which I deduce is why offering help is done very cautiously so that the right type of person can be enlightened to the path.
You have passed a great deal of helpful knowledge here for me to start my journey.
Thankyou
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shifudan
// Aug 20, 2008
i have read alot on these groups, and would like to know a few basic answers. if mr changs powers are real, how many people does he treat?/ if his students powers are real, how many do they treat, and is there a greater success of healing people with their methods than with traditional acupuncture, or even modern tcm
i am a student of the the late pendekar herman suwanda, from west java, and i do believe in many esoteric things, however they are only valid if they benefit mankind, so how are these men benefiting mankind? are all the students healing others, and again, what are results.
i am also an indoor disciple to li tailiang, one of the top xingyi guys in america, and he has taught in shaolin, and is an indoor disciple to the abbot of shaolin. my master has never spoken of such claims in shaolin, and laughs at alot of these things. so what is with all the crazy post of outlandish things, if they are not benefitting the world? no disrespect, but so what if shifu chang could light paper on fire, and speak to ghost, etc, ubless it is for the purpose of helping the world
pendekar suwanda taught seminars all over the world, to share silat, and all the money went to feed about three hundred orphans in indonesia, every year, this seems like more of what people should be doing, if they have any extraordinary abilities.
suwanda also could do some crazy silat majic, nothing like i have read of shifu chang, but they were things the average person wouldnt believe. so i am a believer, but bottom line, how does this benefit mankind?
who cares about martial ability in this topic, how about just having something that could end certain disease, but not sharing it, or its simply not real, or not being used for the right purpose
i mean no disrespect, and if all shifu changs guys are out healing people, and teaching methods for people to heal themselves, then godbless, but if its being spoken of as this secret thing, that only a few are privy too, and nobody is really able to do what the master can do, then what is gained from it?
also, my master had mentioned in shaolin there were only a handful of real high level internal guys, but none of the crazy claims i have seen on these boards.
i am a teacher of several arts, and i just completed my acu liscense, im more concerned in how to make the world healthier, i do xinyi, and other internals, but i feel we need to helppeople, so many sick people in such a rich country, and so many frauds out there, it would be nice for someone with extraordinary ability show it in a huge public setting, in the usa, to inspire people to look inside themselves for health, rather than in a diet fad, or pill, etc. to show people its a real attainable thing, not just quackery. the market is flooded with frauds, so consumers feel its all fake, or the get on some bandwagon, and feel they are more special than others, because they are in some group that is closed.i believ in many things, and some i need more proof that it can be duplicated, and again, for what purpose? im all for helping the world be aware of self cultivation and healing,
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Wing Mike
// Aug 20, 2008
I also wondered why this could be harmful?
You say for mankind.
I say no not for mankind only for a handful wery few few.
Why? becouse awarreness level must be wery high and as i have understood it is easy to send out energy even without knowing it.
You have some Nimlik like energy motions from pathgate instutute.
Another energy example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2DXdFYDXCk&feature=related
Chi is a wonderful thing that can be used in numerous of ways if one practise mind diciplin , sensitivity, understanding and with some acumalated true knowledge behind and alot of training etc etc
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Wing Mike
// Aug 20, 2008
I also like to make world better.
But i also understand that ones addaption is important and there are not so many people with strong base nowdays left with the right understanding to look inside themselfs as the most societys dont prioritate selfawarrness
(It makes people unite).Wich in turn gives leaders lesser power over peoples perception,,, and they dont want to lose power to the people (No way to much greed and indoctrination in world yet for real democracy)
Becouse the root to evil and conflict is false knowledge
that is why so many rich countrys have so many sick people and internal conflicts.
Matrialism negative backside from indoctrination in school without selfknowledge & medicin industry monopoly etc etc.
So people spend rest of life stressing and chasing and trying to find themself again as they could not develope fully in their young years when its most important with right knowledge and addaption..
Asian culture is thriving in europe now ,,westerners start to discover it,, but this also show lack of selfknowledge and diffrent knowledge.
I think open mind and compassion goes hand in hand with awareness becouse otherwise one dont break 8 folded path in mind from focus to feeling to thougt to action etc etc.
chi sao is a good first way to use the body to break lose from self on a emotional stage as you stop folded 8 steps due to its speed and your focus on sensitivity.
it also breaks up your anchored perspective in emotional intelligence stage.
I understood it fully after reading wingchun according to its buddhistical principles & tao + had some experiances with my energyfields under training and that is was a spiritual language where one is one with thte laws and expression of truth.
Or explained as meditation in movment.
But in my case i complete this with training and meditation etc etc but it is not easy to advance in this society with its traps for the mind.
The differance between awarre and non awarre people is that the awarre can see the couses to the effects and therefore dont find themself in bad situations or situaitons that give bad feelings and negative karma.
Depression is the result of one not living in the now and been living in the indoctrination dream then suddenly reality hits in face.
This is due to bad knowledge is feed to people like candy in all ways possible from all corners of society.
To make a better world people must first awake to want change.
But this will be comming in the nearest times as chaos and unbalance will at the end have the people unite and seek for the truth togheter once again as so many times before in history.
People cannot be controled so much longer with devide and conquer mentality and states cannot rely on philosophy of people not having time to know eachother of the means to communicate ,, this new age will change the world.
So in one way or another world will change to the better but not until it first gets much worse.
Becouse ignorance is great in many people.
But new age is comming so one can hope for change.
I have had some good visions and some bad but its hard to tell them apart (Timeline) as i seem always to live before my own time so to speak.
Some words of advice.
Trust yourself ,Keep open mind, Meditate , Calm the mind ,Train breathing,Develope sensetivity, Feed the heart right knowledge , Turn of the right brainhalfe that feed logical overjunk to heart and experiance leftbrain emotional sensetivity of your sourroundings. = advance
Study the differance of the bodys 2 sides before starting thinking of energys path etc etc.
I Wish you all a life in compassion and wisdome .
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Neikung
// Aug 20, 2008
Dear Mike,
Thank you for posting your comments and sharing your thoughts. Mike has said something that people should read and ponder carefully
“Finding inner peace and calmness especially by first calming the mind by breathing should be everybodys intresst..
Breath is the key to everything”.
Peace and God Bless
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Thunderbird
// Aug 20, 2008
Many are not looking for help here. They are looking to be a parasite latched onto students of energy like Chang. If you are sure the path of energy is for you meditate and the Gods will bring the teacher to you when your ready. Those who are waiting to start until they find a Chang have already proven to spirit they lack what it takes. chang didn’t become proficient by whining and complaining about the cold cold world or this or that teacher not being around. Shamans are as cold as the arctic wind. They don’t waste time like that.
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DYnamo
// Aug 20, 2008
good to see you being so positive thunderbird
I love your reality
You bring much happiness to the world
You set a fine example for people to look at and know where there path lies
Everybody, meditate, get a feel for the type of person Thunderbird is and then think about the path you would like to follow and the kind of person you would like to be.
Knowing where you destinantion is, is the most important part of the journey otherwise you will end up anwhere.
C, P & L
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Brandon Pearson
// Aug 20, 2008
thunderbird u are absolutely right about starting now instead of waiting until you find chang.. i have been waiting.. but no more.
i will start immediently.. i will do what i can but i can only get so far without a teacher i also feel i shouldnt really practice this much for fear of hurting my self or simply doing it wrong setting me back even farther. anyway your words have been heard and u summed me up pretty well so i will start soon.. as soon as i get the books i ordered that NeiKung told me about in a previous email.
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Thunderbird
// Aug 21, 2008
what books pearson?
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Dao
// Aug 21, 2008
Boy you guys are proof why commitees don’t work
If everything was up to the people on this forum we would still be riding around on horses and reading by candle light.
What would be the point in everyone getting an education.
And as for the idiot, god only knows the types of people might start using them and for what reasons.
Cars, electricity, knowledge and even computers are and can be dangerous.
There’s this little thing called evolution.
Ther’s anothing thing call drop out rate.
We all have the potential to evolve. That’s why plenty of us can run a 4 minute mile now we know its possible and our hearts wont explode.
If you have the knowledge share it. Then people wont be sticking their hands in electric sockets and hurting themselves. They’ll learn things safely.
Anything thats worthwhile takes time to master.
Most people drop out if they’re not really interested. Look at gyms straight after New Year and then in February when time and effort puts resolutions on hold for another year.
Goals take time to achieve. The achievment of a goal is never actually that great and forgotten about pretty much soon after.
The real treasure of a goal is the person you become when you dedicate yourself to achieving them. Patience, spirit, dedication, tenancity, social and communication skills and plenty of other positive resources to boot.
If you want to be an arshole whist achieving anything it won’t take long before you’re isolated the funny thing is no one likes working/helping/being around people like that.
So Everyone forget about Chang. He’s on the path. You can get on the path without him.
There has been some great advice about how to do that already.
Just think how fast everyone would evolve if we all gave positive points no as to how someone further behind us might benfit from something small that we’ve learned.
There is always someone in front of us ad there is always someone behind us.
Just think if you were all put off as babies about learning to walk. No don’t try that sit down. some people fall over and bang there heads on stones and die. It’s dangerous. Stop crying and being a baby you’re on your own in life. I can’t teach you it secret.
Or compassionately. That’s ok darling, it was just a tiny fall. How about another try when you feel like it. Of course you can hold my hand. Good job. Aren’t you clever.
The world is Maya. Everything comes from the one; Ying and Yang. From the sky we look like a fungus on the land because we’re one big organism. Just lots of different personalities. Just like a human being. Even fungus, bacteria and viruses help each other to evolve.
People can maipulate energy because that is all there is. Molecules into atoms into particles + and – etc
We are energy, so is everything else in the universe. Energy fields light things wirelessly. When we all learn to manipulate the energy around us we can start zero point energy cars/house/you name it generators from our own projected chi/ki/qi/prana/orgone and create a whole new powerful world to live in.
The future is very bright in deed.
Have a wonderful journey and remember if you’re enjoying the journey you’ll enjoy travelling to lots more place as well.
Allness Beingness & Everything
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