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		<title>By: Willow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I just found your site through Zen habits and I must say that I agree whole-heartedly with your insightful comments concerning the misunderstanding of Zen.  Earlier today I posted a comment on Leo&#039;s site, but somehow it hasn&#039;t been posted yet.  Here&#039;s what I posted:

&quot;Hi Leo,

I’ve been reading some of your blog articles and I’ve picked out a few gem ideas that I’ve been trying to apply to my own life, so thank you so much for that.  However, as someone with both an academic and personal interest in Zen, I do feel the urge to put in my “two cents worth” and offer my perspective on the whole “Zen” name debate.  

First of all, as a scholar I do find it very frustrating to enter the term “Zen” into a search engine (both academic and non-academic) only to be rewarded with a surplus of articles and websites have very little to do with actual Zen (some not at all) and have to waste my time sorting through them to find what I’m looking for.  I must admit that I felt somewhat the same way about your site.  While your articles offer some very good advice and tips on leading a healthy, organized and productive lifestyle (something I myself need much improvement on!), this really has little to do with the spiritual aims of Zen Buddhist practice.  As one of the previous posters pointed out, associating Zen with simplicity somewhat obfuscates the underlying complexity and richness of the tradition.  This is in part due to the sources of our understanding of Zen in the West.  People like D.T. Suzuki, while making a very important contribution to the dissemination of Zen to the West, simplified and repackaged Zen in a manner to make it more appealing to Westerners.  Modern Zen scholars have been challenging the received popular viewed of Zen that we have in West and have been forming a more nuanced and complete picture of the tradition as a whole, including its historical development, which was largely ignored by writers like Suzuki.  This means of course going back to the development of Chan/Zen in China, the real birthplace of Zen.  

Some posters here might be surprised to find that the Chan masters throughout history were lively debaters and often rigorous scholars who did not scorn the use of words or shy away from expressing their often strong opinions.  Being enlightened does not mean not having an opinion or to disengage oneself from the linguistically contrived world of conflict and contradiction.  To suggest such is simply to shut down the possibility of argument and debate and rob the other of their right to a voice.  Zen is not some hippy-dippy tradition about feeling groovy and being disengaged from the world.  As my teacher puts it, it is the experience of the nonduality of duality and nonduality.  Both the enlightened and us nonenlightened folks live in this world of duality and to live only in the world of nonduality would make enlightened activity and even existence an impossibility.

Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to offer my own opinion to the fray (long live debate!) and some points to consider in our collective understanding of Zen as a culture and perhaps a better understanding why some of us get so peeved at the casual use and misuse of term “Zen” (which no doubt has contributed to the Western fetishization of Zen and Asian culture).  But sometimes all we can do is laugh and continue to deepen our own understanding.  Here is a website that offers some comic relief to that effect:

http://theworsthorse.com/

And here is a wonderful website offering many thought-provoking articles dealing with some of the issues I touched on above:

http://www.thezensite.com/

Cheers!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I just found your site through Zen habits and I must say that I agree whole-heartedly with your insightful comments concerning the misunderstanding of Zen.  Earlier today I posted a comment on Leo&#8217;s site, but somehow it hasn&#8217;t been posted yet.  Here&#8217;s what I posted:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hi Leo,</p>
<p>I’ve been reading some of your blog articles and I’ve picked out a few gem ideas that I’ve been trying to apply to my own life, so thank you so much for that.  However, as someone with both an academic and personal interest in Zen, I do feel the urge to put in my “two cents worth” and offer my perspective on the whole “Zen” name debate.  </p>
<p>First of all, as a scholar I do find it very frustrating to enter the term “Zen” into a search engine (both academic and non-academic) only to be rewarded with a surplus of articles and websites have very little to do with actual Zen (some not at all) and have to waste my time sorting through them to find what I’m looking for.  I must admit that I felt somewhat the same way about your site.  While your articles offer some very good advice and tips on leading a healthy, organized and productive lifestyle (something I myself need much improvement on!), this really has little to do with the spiritual aims of Zen Buddhist practice.  As one of the previous posters pointed out, associating Zen with simplicity somewhat obfuscates the underlying complexity and richness of the tradition.  This is in part due to the sources of our understanding of Zen in the West.  People like D.T. Suzuki, while making a very important contribution to the dissemination of Zen to the West, simplified and repackaged Zen in a manner to make it more appealing to Westerners.  Modern Zen scholars have been challenging the received popular viewed of Zen that we have in West and have been forming a more nuanced and complete picture of the tradition as a whole, including its historical development, which was largely ignored by writers like Suzuki.  This means of course going back to the development of Chan/Zen in China, the real birthplace of Zen.  </p>
<p>Some posters here might be surprised to find that the Chan masters throughout history were lively debaters and often rigorous scholars who did not scorn the use of words or shy away from expressing their often strong opinions.  Being enlightened does not mean not having an opinion or to disengage oneself from the linguistically contrived world of conflict and contradiction.  To suggest such is simply to shut down the possibility of argument and debate and rob the other of their right to a voice.  Zen is not some hippy-dippy tradition about feeling groovy and being disengaged from the world.  As my teacher puts it, it is the experience of the nonduality of duality and nonduality.  Both the enlightened and us nonenlightened folks live in this world of duality and to live only in the world of nonduality would make enlightened activity and even existence an impossibility.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to offer my own opinion to the fray (long live debate!) and some points to consider in our collective understanding of Zen as a culture and perhaps a better understanding why some of us get so peeved at the casual use and misuse of term “Zen” (which no doubt has contributed to the Western fetishization of Zen and Asian culture).  But sometimes all we can do is laugh and continue to deepen our own understanding.  Here is a website that offers some comic relief to that effect:</p>
<p><a href="http://theworsthorse.com/" rel="nofollow">http://theworsthorse.com/</a></p>
<p>And here is a wonderful website offering many thought-provoking articles dealing with some of the issues I touched on above:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thezensite.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thezensite.com/</a></p>
<p>Cheers!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/zen-habits-of-master-hsuan-hua/comment-page-1/#comment-8768</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a site on Master Hsuan Hua: http://www.cttbusa.org/founder.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a site on Master Hsuan Hua: <a href="http://www.cttbusa.org/founder.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.cttbusa.org/founder.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: a buddhist carnival - 9th edition, part 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>a buddhist carnival - 9th edition, part 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and is there such a thing as real zen? he quotes a ch&#8217;an (chinese zen) master in his post zen habits of master hsuan hua the dumb transmit to the dumb, one is teaching but neither has any idea. the sifu goes to hell. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and is there such a thing as real zen? he quotes a ch&#8217;an (chinese zen) master in his post zen habits of master hsuan hua the dumb transmit to the dumb, one is teaching but neither has any idea. the sifu goes to hell. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: elf_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>elf_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I just reread what I wrote and I realized &quot;those who take the time to look&quot; might&#039;ve sounded like a jab at you, but it wasn&#039;t meant that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I just reread what I wrote and I realized &#8220;those who take the time to look&#8221; might&#8217;ve sounded like a jab at you, but it wasn&#8217;t meant that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are good points, thank you.  I went back and edited the post, as I had not expressed myself clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are good points, thank you.  I went back and edited the post, as I had not expressed myself clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: elf_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>elf_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, a lot of zen teaching emphasizes that, while everything is enlightened as it is, people generally aren&#039;t aware of this and just being told it doesn&#039;t really do much, so actual practice is necessary. 
&quot;Everything is zen and nothing is zen&quot; could easily be a paraphrase of some of Boddhidarma&#039;s more important koans. 
Interestingly, Leo had a recent post about the title of the blog. I can&#039;t help but think that, given that he specifically states the the blog is not about zen practice as such but relates to some of its concepts, it&#039;s a fairly apt title, and isn&#039;t really a misuse. It isn&#039;t so much about right or wrong as it is appropriate or inappropriate, and for those who take the time to look, his use really doesn&#039;t seem inappropriate.
I remember another koan about a master of a monastery who is beheaded by raiders, and his scream was heard for miles around. So yes, it isn&#039;t just about being calm and accepting and placid, it&#039;s about experiencing things as they are, including pain and your own death. Zen doesn&#039;t denigrate differentiation, it accepts differentiation as being just as necessary as unity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, a lot of zen teaching emphasizes that, while everything is enlightened as it is, people generally aren&#8217;t aware of this and just being told it doesn&#8217;t really do much, so actual practice is necessary.<br />
&#8220;Everything is zen and nothing is zen&#8221; could easily be a paraphrase of some of Boddhidarma&#8217;s more important koans.<br />
Interestingly, Leo had a recent post about the title of the blog. I can&#8217;t help but think that, given that he specifically states the the blog is not about zen practice as such but relates to some of its concepts, it&#8217;s a fairly apt title, and isn&#8217;t really a misuse. It isn&#8217;t so much about right or wrong as it is appropriate or inappropriate, and for those who take the time to look, his use really doesn&#8217;t seem inappropriate.<br />
I remember another koan about a master of a monastery who is beheaded by raiders, and his scream was heard for miles around. So yes, it isn&#8217;t just about being calm and accepting and placid, it&#8217;s about experiencing things as they are, including pain and your own death. Zen doesn&#8217;t denigrate differentiation, it accepts differentiation as being just as necessary as unity.</p>
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