Comments on: His Wing Chun Couldn’t Win A Real Fight

By: dc

dc — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:09:17 +0000

Wing Chun (or any martial arts for that matter) does not gaurantee that you will win (or survive). Studying Martial Arts will give you a fighting chance and that is it. If you get killed in the process of defending yourself, it does not necessarily mean that by being better would have prevented death. Everyone has to make choices when confronted. It could be a good choice or bad choice depending on the outcome but whatever the choice, accept the potential consequences.

By: Lucius

Lucius — Sat, 30 Oct 2010 10:15:54 +0000

@Chris
“Yes, it is sad when people invest so much effort in the study of martial art, and discover too late that their preferred techniques cannot end a real fight.”

I would just like to state, as someone who trains wing chun, that the main meaning in the title of, Wing Chun Self Defense, is the self defense. i believe that the way “brandon” could have stopped is to just ignore the situation. but saying not learing anything can still win a fight is half true. but somewhat incorrect. im not too sure what you define a fight to be? weather its a argument or physical dispute, but say for example if you walk down the street(which has happened to myself) and you are attacked by 3 people unable to escape, the only thing you can do, which humans do naturally, is to stand and defend yourself.

My Sifu does not encourage fighting at all, he states that if the time calls to defend yourself then you must. and after the fight you do not stick around, you run off. it seems very cowardly at first? but you just got attacked by 3 people… thats as low as it gets. now as someone who has been in this situation from “australian torris islanders” wing chun basically saved me for being brutally beaten and virtually dieing.

Wing Chun does not exactly teach people how to handle arguments, this is a basic knowledge everyone “should” have. dont be aggressive during the argument? reduces the chance that a physical fight breaks out…
dont bait them with words to make them angry? keeps the other person less aggressive
if the dispute is pointless just ignore the situation and walk away
if they attack you, you tell them you dont want to fight and try to run away. if the attacking continues you defend yourself. pretty simple? easier said than done though. but preventing situations is more art of negotiating though general knowledge and being mentally strong, wing chun protects you when you need it.

By: Just here and there

Just here and there — Sat, 23 Oct 2010 06:07:41 +0000

Well my master did. He was up against a military dude.
He (my master) got a fight with the dude and beat him. The dude then rode his motorcycle, stopped some distance from my master’s house then threatened to kill him and his family bla bla. What my master did after was went to the authorities informed them of what happened and they took care of the dude. And there you go, everyone’s safe, obviously. My mater wouldn’t be here if that didn’t work and he was killed, right?

I know there are existing problems with the police force and they MIGHT end up not helping you at all. But you gotta try man, that’s much better than just beating a guy up then going back inside your house and getting shot. There’s someone in the police force that’s bound to help you at some point. Not everyone in this world is bad, cut the police some slack.

By: chris

chris — Sat, 23 Oct 2010 01:11:55 +0000

Have you ever personally called the cops to intervene in a dispute like this? If not, then you might want to compare your theories with the experience of someone who did.

By: Malcolm

Malcolm — Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:09:09 +0000

Just here and there:
That is eminently wise advice. That is exactly the right thing to do. When the ‘bad guys’ get a lecture by the cops that they will be charged with assault if they touch the attacked guy, they will very probably stop trying to beat him up.

By: Just here and there

Just here and there — Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:28:20 +0000

The best thing to do in a situation like this of Brandon’s is (im basing my opinion on WHAT IS IN THE THREAD) fight the two guys, get them under control like what he initially did. Then call the cops and inform them of what just happened. This ain’t a movie where after you knock somebody out he’s gone from your life forever, never to be seen or heard from again. This is real life, plus they are his neighbors so chances of them meeting again is close to a hundred percent.
If you do get in a fight like this one, call the cops immediately, inform them what happened and tell them you feel threatened and that they might retaliate later. This could and should prevent the escalation of your fight.
Just call the cops man, and save your life.
Peace

By: 'man'imal

'man'imal — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:08:46 +0000

I read the whole thread… many thoughts, many opinions.
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When the hammer hits the anvil you either run or fight. It is in our programming (survival) how we behave at the time of crisis. However no response is truly final.
If you run the confrontation may or may not occur at a later time. If you fight another (escalated) confrontation may or may not occur at a later time.
We ‘must’ assume any attacker is motivated by ‘bad’ intent and will attempt to cause most amount of damage.
“We” must also act in a manner that is deemed socially acceptable but still protect ourselves in a manner appropriately responsive to the ‘current’ situation.

With regard to the initail story..
Subsequent to Brandon’s choosing to fight/ defend; Brandon should have understood that the fight had only just begun and defensive tacticts would become necessary from that moment on (forever). (You never know when/ where you’ll cross paths again and you must assume further aggression for reasons of safety). Note that one should not initiate confrontation but upon the occurence of any new confrontation (from a known attacker) Brandon would have to choose once again between run or fight and if fight is selected he would need to escalate as appropriate to ensure survival.

By: bodybuddha

bodybuddha — Wed, 26 May 2010 18:44:38 +0000

if you want to end a fight, if you want to win when backed into a corner, if you need to push your body to its limits to make sure you can win….. JUST GO SUPER SAYAN!

OVER 9000!!!! OMGGGGG

By: Saharus

Saharus — Sat, 01 May 2010 17:48:27 +0000

Agreed Heath, running does not solve anything – except for the next time you may be better prepared and/ or be able to convince them
but if you are spending your time in such areas I would advise a .40 S&W pistol, since you can be sure that every hit counts.
or you can carry a sword with you or both
sword is more psychological – it looks dangerous. (so you are less likely to be chosen for a target)

By: Heath

Heath — Sat, 01 May 2010 14:56:13 +0000

I have found that running doesn’t do much good depending on the case. If you have problems with someone you know your going to have to deal with it. In my experience most of the guys I have come up against just tried to get me to throw the first punch. I didn’t feel they were worth my time I really didn’t feel threatened. There isn’t much you can do about these situations except try to be prepared for whatever happens. I don’t know what happened to this guy or who these people were. You got to be careful I work in shitty areas of town early on Saturday mornings and due to the robberies we have had I carry my 9mm. I got my CCW almost a year ago. Just in the past few months I had a group of kids trying to start shit while I was minding my own business working in their neighborhood. Before a block from there another group was in the middle of the street one holding up a broken chair and 2 others with kitchen knives facing down some guy. Before I could get my phone the police were already coming down the street.