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	<title>Comments on: Transcending Subjective Reality</title>
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		<title>By: Rich Howell</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/transcending-subjective-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-10981</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a wonderful experience once. It was the first time I ever tried ecstasy (and before you switch off), we need to remember that experience can be extremely powerful and is as real as any reality can ever be for us. Sometimes the real can be replaced by something More real, but its only another influence upon reality - more sensitivity or more relaxation, or an emotional shift. None the less, there must be a ground for the experience, otherwise our worlds would soon change beyond any kind of recognition and we would have no common ground. The world as you know it is inside your mind. Your mind seems to live inside a bubble. It is fed by the senses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a wonderful experience once. It was the first time I ever tried ecstasy (and before you switch off), we need to remember that experience can be extremely powerful and is as real as any reality can ever be for us. Sometimes the real can be replaced by something More real, but its only another influence upon reality &#8211; more sensitivity or more relaxation, or an emotional shift. None the less, there must be a ground for the experience, otherwise our worlds would soon change beyond any kind of recognition and we would have no common ground. The world as you know it is inside your mind. Your mind seems to live inside a bubble. It is fed by the senses.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Modeling</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/transcending-subjective-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-10582</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Modeling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy the SR argument.  I&#039;ve noticed that when other people walk out of the room I am in, I don&#039;t cease to exist, so I would have to conclude that their consciousness is not the same level as mine.  The SR explanations for this are manifold - their reality is not the same as mine, they don&#039;t have consciousness, they are constructs of my consciousness, or they are just OR types.  As an OR type, I just believe that they still exist.  Seems simpler and less elitist.

The lucid dreaming analogy Pavlina used seems weak.  I have had lucid dreams, and I have had non-lucid dreams.  If the dream-world and the real-world are equivalent, why have I not had lucid experiences in the real-world?  One world appears to be harder to self-inspect than the other, ergo, they are different.  Even an SR type would have trouble explaining that without getting silly.  Speaking of which, he admits that the OR type grants SR to the dream-world, then later says that the OR types don&#039;t grant SR at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy the SR argument.  I&#8217;ve noticed that when other people walk out of the room I am in, I don&#8217;t cease to exist, so I would have to conclude that their consciousness is not the same level as mine.  The SR explanations for this are manifold &#8211; their reality is not the same as mine, they don&#8217;t have consciousness, they are constructs of my consciousness, or they are just OR types.  As an OR type, I just believe that they still exist.  Seems simpler and less elitist.</p>
<p>The lucid dreaming analogy Pavlina used seems weak.  I have had lucid dreams, and I have had non-lucid dreams.  If the dream-world and the real-world are equivalent, why have I not had lucid experiences in the real-world?  One world appears to be harder to self-inspect than the other, ergo, they are different.  Even an SR type would have trouble explaining that without getting silly.  Speaking of which, he admits that the OR type grants SR to the dream-world, then later says that the OR types don&#8217;t grant SR at all.</p>
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		<title>By: josh young</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/transcending-subjective-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-10435</link>
		<dc:creator>josh young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard to answer the question in  any concise way.

awareness=ability to perceive, does not entail being aware of being aware. Example; you perceive sensory stimulus in your sleep but are not conscious of it. 

consciousness= the perception of perception, entails an awareness of being aware. Example; you recognize you are awake. 

thought=mental dialog function, can occur without being conscious of it. Takes upon itself a structure form of relevance. 

You could argue then from these points that consciousness is mental awareness, and that thought is mental function, and that awareness precedes mental states. This relates to the topic at hand because awareness is not subjective in the same way thought and consciousness is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to answer the question in  any concise way.</p>
<p>awareness=ability to perceive, does not entail being aware of being aware. Example; you perceive sensory stimulus in your sleep but are not conscious of it. </p>
<p>consciousness= the perception of perception, entails an awareness of being aware. Example; you recognize you are awake. </p>
<p>thought=mental dialog function, can occur without being conscious of it. Takes upon itself a structure form of relevance. </p>
<p>You could argue then from these points that consciousness is mental awareness, and that thought is mental function, and that awareness precedes mental states. This relates to the topic at hand because awareness is not subjective in the same way thought and consciousness is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/transcending-subjective-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-10434</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, how do you see the differences between awareness, consciousness and thought?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, how do you see the differences between awareness, consciousness and thought?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh young</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/transcending-subjective-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-10432</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subjective reality is the same as objective.
The problem is that metaphysical authors don&#039;t understand self well. They think of things in terms of awareness while conflating awareness with consciousness and worse, consciousness with thought. That being said they think their own minds shape their perceptions, however for their own minds to be able to have a function at all, ergo for consciousness to exist: subjectivity is an objective reality and thus objective reality exists and informs the very limitations of subjectivity.

So to say that subjective reality exists cannot possibly undermine objective reality, because otherwise it would be self subject and subjective-subjective reality is meaningless. 

In my experience philosophy of the academics and scholars tends to border on the meaningless due to their conflations of the nature of subjectivity. This being true for some professors who were quite brilliant people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subjective reality is the same as objective.<br />
The problem is that metaphysical authors don&#8217;t understand self well. They think of things in terms of awareness while conflating awareness with consciousness and worse, consciousness with thought. That being said they think their own minds shape their perceptions, however for their own minds to be able to have a function at all, ergo for consciousness to exist: subjectivity is an objective reality and thus objective reality exists and informs the very limitations of subjectivity.</p>
<p>So to say that subjective reality exists cannot possibly undermine objective reality, because otherwise it would be self subject and subjective-subjective reality is meaningless. </p>
<p>In my experience philosophy of the academics and scholars tends to border on the meaningless due to their conflations of the nature of subjectivity. This being true for some professors who were quite brilliant people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Wu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Wu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the thing that I deeply believe in, is there&#039;s not quite right or wrong unless we fix it. Subjective Reality might not prove everything and as you have said it might not even help personal growth. But what I could see is there is something we could learn from. Perhaps subjective reality is a term used in metaphysics (at least I have not run into one) and in that case, it leads to the spiritual side of all thing.

Besides, not everything could be explained with words even by Steve Pavlina himself because it takes pure self-experiencing to feel it. Words merely point you the way, they do not define it.

Thanks for your thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the thing that I deeply believe in, is there&#8217;s not quite right or wrong unless we fix it. Subjective Reality might not prove everything and as you have said it might not even help personal growth. But what I could see is there is something we could learn from. Perhaps subjective reality is a term used in metaphysics (at least I have not run into one) and in that case, it leads to the spiritual side of all thing.</p>
<p>Besides, not everything could be explained with words even by Steve Pavlina himself because it takes pure self-experiencing to feel it. Words merely point you the way, they do not define it.</p>
<p>Thanks for your thought!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne, who is not already in control of their life?  You, or someone else?  Since you mention Transcendentalism, I&#039;ll respond with two quotes from Thoreau.

&lt;i&gt;If anything ail a man so that he does not perform his functions, if he has a pain in his bowels even, he forthwith sets about reforming--the world.&lt;/i&gt;

(whereas)

&lt;i&gt;I came into this world, not chiefly to make this a good place to live in, but to live in it. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne, who is not already in control of their life?  You, or someone else?  Since you mention Transcendentalism, I&#8217;ll respond with two quotes from Thoreau.</p>
<p><i>If anything ail a man so that he does not perform his functions, if he has a pain in his bowels even, he forthwith sets about reforming&#8211;the world.</i></p>
<p>(whereas)</p>
<p><i>I came into this world, not chiefly to make this a good place to live in, but to live in it. </i></p>
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		<title>By: anne.x</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne.x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! I&#039;m new here and I&#039;d like to post a question that I&#039;ve been pondering during my English class discussions--the question of physical limitations.

So. Physical limitations. I&#039;m not sure if people have already touched on this in other topics already, but might as well just throw this out here for now: What kinds of &#039;limitations&#039; are there, really? Are physical limitations really limitations, and how can we get past these &#039;obstacles&#039; to get ourselves on track and to get in control of our lives?

In class we have talked about first Transcendentalism then the ideals it has that we can apply to our situations and more; I learned that all people have unlimited potential and that by being aware of this and believing that we can do it, what we want will come true. Which brings me back to my question--if so, then why are there physical limitations? Can&#039;t we just throw them away from our sight and get to what we want? Apparently in most cases this is not so. So what does this mean?

I&#039;d like to hear some replies~. Thanks for your time! 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! I&#8217;m new here and I&#8217;d like to post a question that I&#8217;ve been pondering during my English class discussions&#8211;the question of physical limitations.</p>
<p>So. Physical limitations. I&#8217;m not sure if people have already touched on this in other topics already, but might as well just throw this out here for now: What kinds of &#8216;limitations&#8217; are there, really? Are physical limitations really limitations, and how can we get past these &#8216;obstacles&#8217; to get ourselves on track and to get in control of our lives?</p>
<p>In class we have talked about first Transcendentalism then the ideals it has that we can apply to our situations and more; I learned that all people have unlimited potential and that by being aware of this and believing that we can do it, what we want will come true. Which brings me back to my question&#8211;if so, then why are there physical limitations? Can&#8217;t we just throw them away from our sight and get to what we want? Apparently in most cases this is not so. So what does this mean?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear some replies~. Thanks for your time! </p>
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		<title>By: Barboza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barboza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not read the comments. Sorry if this has already been said.

&quot;You are not the only agent in this universe. You are a small, relatively insignificant player on a grand stage. Just as another person’s flesh and bones may oppose yours, their intentions may counter your own will.&quot;

I think you misunderstood. It is nor me, you, Steve Pavlina, or the tramp in the street that is the agent. It is US. Understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not read the comments. Sorry if this has already been said.</p>
<p>&#8220;You are not the only agent in this universe. You are a small, relatively insignificant player on a grand stage. Just as another person’s flesh and bones may oppose yours, their intentions may counter your own will.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you misunderstood. It is nor me, you, Steve Pavlina, or the tramp in the street that is the agent. It is US. Understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kai, you cannot rebut anything I have written, and that is OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kai, you cannot rebut anything I have written, and that is OK.</p>
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