Comments on: Is This The End of Mixed Martial Arts? http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/ Martial arts for personal development Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:51:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: YJD http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-16086 YJD Tue, 27 Dec 2011 07:26:24 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-16086 I believe the word “Martial” is a fairly modern term and was put in front of the word “art” by Europeans probably to differentiate between other more common arts such as dancing. The traditional styles were just that, an art not solely focused on fighting people but self defence orientated and as a way of life, a way of improving ones self through self control and the many other benefits these arts can bring to a practitioner. I think that MMA and UFC fighting mostly appeals to the younger generations and consequently since the traditional arts have become known in the western world they have become misunderstood and to some extent used and discarded. What young man today looks at traditional systems, he is not interested in becoming a better person through learning the traditional philosophies behind a self defence system or concentrating on the basic forms that are the foundations of the techniques he will learn, he only wants to be a good fighter and beat his opponent. Many people however are still choosing to attend or send their children to martial arts classes for one benefit or another and for this reason the modern version of the traditional martial arts clubs will survive. As everything is so commercialised these days it would be very difficult to find the type of clubs that existed in the days before Bruce Lee, however I understand it is called progress and everything must adapt to the times in order to survive. I believe the word “Martial” is a fairly modern term and was put in front of the word “art” by Europeans probably to differentiate between other more common arts such as dancing. The traditional styles were just that, an art not solely focused on fighting people but self defence orientated and as a way of life, a way of improving ones self through self control and the many other benefits these arts can bring to a practitioner. I think that MMA and UFC fighting mostly appeals to the younger generations and consequently since the traditional arts have become known in the western world they have become misunderstood and to some extent used and discarded. What young man today looks at traditional systems, he is not interested in becoming a better person through learning the traditional philosophies behind a self defence system or concentrating on the basic forms that are the foundations of the techniques he will learn, he only wants to be a good fighter and beat his opponent. Many people however are still choosing to attend or send their children to martial arts classes for one benefit or another and for this reason the modern version of the traditional martial arts clubs will survive. As everything is so commercialised these days it would be very difficult to find the type of clubs that existed in the days before Bruce Lee, however I understand it is called progress and everything must adapt to the times in order to survive.

]]> By: Anthony M. Clark http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-16078 Anthony M. Clark Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:21:38 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-16078 Leo is correct in the fact that people have been fighting and warring since the beginning of time. Cain killed Abel, second generation man, and we've been at it ever since (pseudo historical/religious joke there). However, there were sparring competitions well before the Romans walked the earth in centurion formation. And the various militaries developed systematized styles of fighting, to include formational tactics and individual combat. Like any good combatant, they evolved their fighting to include new techniques and what worked. Look at the Marine Corps facility MACE. They are studying and breaking down hand to hand combat to improve their training techniques. TMA was combat, and is combat when practiced properly. This concept that Bruce Lee developed a street effective style of fighting is cute, but rather nonsense. He developed a system that would be easy to teach to individuals who didn't grow up learning it. All traditional martial arts that are worth their salt are effective in street situations. And the UFC style of fighting isn't as effective in street situations as it is in sport. (Flame away if you disagree - I believe MMA and UFC styles fighters are becoming some of the best athletes in their training and fighting regime - but getting into an awkward cuddle and rolling on the deck while my opponent's buddies pound on me isn't an effective tactic for street situations). Perhaps in one-on-one it might work exceptionally, but when numbers get involved it changes the tide of battle. To the original topic, I think like most sports and even arts, MMA may have peaked it its fanatical stage, and now may be becoming much like boxing or football, with a steady following of the sport. It will probably last for decades if not longer as a sport until the next evolution occurs and combat chess takes the stage. Or perhaps High-Stakes Go. I see the dojos and schools for MMA being much like the dojos of the 70s - filling with students. Some of those dojos are still open today, but not with the same numbers they had in the 70s, when Bruce Lee was the rage and Chuck Norris was just starting out. (Perhaps we'll start having Little League MMA teams as MMA becomes normal sport.) As for GK saying that "MMA has obsoleted and replaced the bs that proceeded it" - what BS are you refering to? The BS that was the foundation for what you consider MMA. That's like saying you've replaced your father and your grandfather and that they were BS. MMA may just be the next generation, or it may just be a juvenile that past generations don't consider worthy to address yet. MMA came from those past arts, so maybe you can pay a little respect (not to some of the pathetic schools that teach watered down stuff but to the foundational arts). MMA has been "tested" in an arena and those "no rules" events did have rules. They simply were billed as "no rules" - marketing. Some of these self-claimed MMA arts that were tested on the streets were between two athletes who weren't out to kill each other. Many of the past traditional arts were tested on the street and in battle to the death. And at times the victor walked home maimed and or dying. Foolishness if you don't have to prove anything. But, as men (generically speaking) we always do feel we have something to prove. In the past few generations, we have thankfully pulled away from the street fights to the degree they had been, but in doing so many traditional martial artists have ceased practicing to the level where they are effective. I see the MMA athletes pouring their hearts into their sport, and its paying off in their abilities in the ring. I wish I trained with the same intensity that I see those young athletes training. It is inspiring. Just my thoughts. I hope you have a good day. Leo is correct in the fact that people have been fighting and warring since the beginning of time. Cain killed Abel, second generation man, and we’ve been at it ever since (pseudo historical/religious joke there). However, there were sparring competitions well before the Romans walked the earth in centurion formation. And the various militaries developed systematized styles of fighting, to include formational tactics and individual combat. Like any good combatant, they evolved their fighting to include new techniques and what worked. Look at the Marine Corps facility MACE. They are studying and breaking down hand to hand combat to improve their training techniques.

TMA was combat, and is combat when practiced properly. This concept that Bruce Lee developed a street effective style of fighting is cute, but rather nonsense. He developed a system that would be easy to teach to individuals who didn’t grow up learning it. All traditional martial arts that are worth their salt are effective in street situations. And the UFC style of fighting isn’t as effective in street situations as it is in sport. (Flame away if you disagree – I believe MMA and UFC styles fighters are becoming some of the best athletes in their training and fighting regime – but getting into an awkward cuddle and rolling on the deck while my opponent’s buddies pound on me isn’t an effective tactic for street situations). Perhaps in one-on-one it might work exceptionally, but when numbers get involved it changes the tide of battle.

To the original topic, I think like most sports and even arts, MMA may have peaked it its fanatical stage, and now may be becoming much like boxing or football, with a steady following of the sport. It will probably last for decades if not longer as a sport until the next evolution occurs and combat chess takes the stage. Or perhaps High-Stakes Go. I see the dojos and schools for MMA being much like the dojos of the 70s – filling with students. Some of those dojos are still open today, but not with the same numbers they had in the 70s, when Bruce Lee was the rage and Chuck Norris was just starting out. (Perhaps we’ll start having Little League MMA teams as MMA becomes normal sport.)

As for GK saying that “MMA has obsoleted and replaced the bs that proceeded it” – what BS are you refering to? The BS that was the foundation for what you consider MMA. That’s like saying you’ve replaced your father and your grandfather and that they were BS. MMA may just be the next generation, or it may just be a juvenile that past generations don’t consider worthy to address yet. MMA came from those past arts, so maybe you can pay a little respect (not to some of the pathetic schools that teach watered down stuff but to the foundational arts). MMA has been “tested” in an arena and those “no rules” events did have rules. They simply were billed as “no rules” – marketing. Some of these self-claimed MMA arts that were tested on the streets were between two athletes who weren’t out to kill each other. Many of the past traditional arts were tested on the street and in battle to the death. And at times the victor walked home maimed and or dying. Foolishness if you don’t have to prove anything. But, as men (generically speaking) we always do feel we have something to prove. In the past few generations, we have thankfully pulled away from the street fights to the degree they had been, but in doing so many traditional martial artists have ceased practicing to the level where they are effective. I see the MMA athletes pouring their hearts into their sport, and its paying off in their abilities in the ring. I wish I trained with the same intensity that I see those young athletes training. It is inspiring.

Just my thoughts. I hope you have a good day.

]]> By: chris http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-16075 chris Fri, 23 Dec 2011 05:47:19 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-16075 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-5491 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-5491

]]> By: pacman777 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-16069 pacman777 Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:14:57 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-16069 This "life cycle" of sports is a joke lol what are you basing this on? what other sports can you use this life cycle to? saying this cycle exists means you have already witnessed the rise and fall of great sports which must take centuries... you sir are a moron. This “life cycle” of sports is a joke lol what are you basing this on? what other sports can you use this life cycle to? saying this cycle exists means you have already witnessed the rise and fall of great sports which must take centuries… you sir are a moron.

]]> By: leo m http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-13762 leo m Thu, 13 Jan 2011 03:09:03 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-13762 People have been fighting since the beginning of time. Its apart of human nature. The Romans were the first to implicate competition style technique to "MMA". But really fighting is apart of culture. eastern cultures have several including jujitsu, karate, tae kwon doe all of these are rooted in deep within there traditions. all martial arts were invented as combat techniques used in war hence the word "martial" which means war. which was used ever since the organization of society. every martial art had its own style and moves some useful some useless in a modern fight. bruce lee father of MMA created jeet kune doe mixing martial arts keeping the useful and discarding the useless for a street fight style of fighting. which is essentially what MMA is supposed to do. when the UFC 1 took place in 1993 its purpose was to find which martial art was most effective in a street fight which was royce gracie from jujitsu but the style of jujitsu was made to adapt to the different styles of fighting ,but his family had been in other MMA tournaments before this in brazil from the 80s. thus the UFC was born the following tournaments focused more on cross trained fighters then trying to find the best martial arts. right now the UFC is the forefront of the commercialization of the sport of MMA. so the sport of MMA has been around since we had a reason to fight each other and is a tradition past down through generations. so its not a product. the commercialized version of it is but even that has been around since 600 AD with the Romans. so the product cycle ending for MMA not in the recent future or at all seeing that right now is the sports all time high but we've barley scratched the surface of its potential. we would more likely see American football baseball or basketball end before MMA ends People have been fighting since the beginning of time. Its apart of human nature. The Romans were the first to implicate competition style technique to “MMA”. But really fighting is apart of culture. eastern cultures have several including jujitsu, karate, tae kwon doe all of these are rooted in deep within there traditions. all martial arts were invented as combat techniques used in war hence the word “martial” which means war. which was used ever since the organization of society. every martial art had its own style and moves some useful some useless in a modern fight. bruce lee father of MMA created jeet kune doe mixing martial arts keeping the useful and discarding the useless for a street fight style of fighting. which is essentially what MMA is supposed to do. when the UFC 1 took place in 1993 its purpose was to find which martial art was most effective in a street fight which was royce gracie from jujitsu but the style of jujitsu was made to adapt to the different styles of fighting ,but his family had been in other MMA tournaments before this in brazil from the 80s. thus the UFC was born the following tournaments focused more on cross trained fighters then trying to find the best martial arts. right now the UFC is the forefront of the commercialization of the sport of MMA. so the sport of MMA has been around since we had a reason to fight each other and is a tradition past down through generations. so its not a product. the commercialized version of it is but even that has been around since 600 AD with the Romans. so the product cycle ending for MMA not in the recent future or at all seeing that right now is the sports all time high but we’ve barley scratched the surface of its potential. we would more likely see American football baseball or basketball end before MMA ends

]]> By: GK http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-13209 GK Wed, 06 Oct 2010 00:16:18 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-13209 Why don't you apply the "product life cycle theory" to aviation, electronics and publishing? When will jets, microchips and word processors go out of style (end their "product life cycle") and be replaced with propeller airplanes, vacuum tubes and typewriters. Sorry, but MMA has obsoleted and replaced the bullshit that preceded it, as jets, microchips and wordprocessors have replaced and obsoleted propeller airplanes, vacuum tubes and typewriters. There are clear metrics to measure the speed of an aircraft or a computational device just as there are clear metrics to measure the effectiveness of a fighting system. In the early 90s, no rules, and near no rules, competetions became popular and the hybrid system comprising Muay Thai, wrestling, boxing, BJJ and Judo, which is called "MMA" has been shown to be the most proven to be the most effective fighting system so far discovered. Why don’t you apply the “product life cycle theory” to aviation, electronics and publishing? When will jets, microchips and word processors go out of style (end their “product life cycle”) and be replaced with propeller airplanes, vacuum tubes and typewriters.

Sorry, but MMA has obsoleted and replaced the bullshit that preceded it, as jets, microchips and wordprocessors have replaced and obsoleted propeller airplanes, vacuum tubes and typewriters.

There are clear metrics to measure the speed of an aircraft or a computational device just as there are clear metrics to measure the effectiveness of a fighting system. In the early 90s, no rules, and near no rules, competetions became popular and the hybrid system comprising Muay Thai, wrestling, boxing, BJJ and Judo, which is called “MMA” has been shown to be the most proven to be the most effective fighting system so far discovered.

]]> By: Marcus http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-12515 Marcus Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:18:50 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-12515 Now almost 3 years later, this article was spot on. The adoption curve has many uses besides economics, and we have already seen a change in how MMA is headed. Now almost 3 years later, this article was spot on. The adoption curve has many uses besides economics, and we have already seen a change in how MMA is headed.

]]> By: b http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-12291 b Tue, 29 Jun 2010 02:11:22 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-12291 sorry guys to disagree but the only thing i am impressed by with mma ufc and the others would happen to be the training unfortunatley that rarely translates to fight time say what you want about boxing but is is the science meaning thetraining is theory and the fight is application get it? not taking anything away from tthese gentlemen but one question why is it when the fight goes to the ground we now call what used to be just mount and pummel to ground and pound somehow validating what is just street fighting you know the same thing we did in grammar school jump on top of the kid and beat them down i dont remember needing an instuctor for that.. none the less it just proves a couple things most want to see this human form of cock fighting and as i have noticed at the gyms i check out from time to time everyone wants to be a tough guy !! but the funny thing is the tough guys i speak of cant take a shot just wither after a punch in the face say what you want about boxing ,but you train to take a punch it is an eventuality, simple plan train eat sleep then apply your training in real time like the fight. sorry guys to disagree but the only thing i am impressed by with mma ufc and the others would happen to be the training unfortunatley that rarely translates to fight time say what you want about boxing but is is the science meaning thetraining is theory and the fight is application get it? not taking anything away from tthese gentlemen but one question why is it when the fight goes to the ground we now call what used to be just mount and pummel to ground and pound somehow validating what is just street fighting you know the same thing we did in grammar school jump on top of the kid and beat them down i dont remember needing an instuctor for that.. none the less it just proves a couple things most want to see this human form of cock fighting and as i have noticed at the gyms i check out from time to time everyone wants to be a tough guy !! but the funny thing is the tough guys i speak of cant take a shot just wither after a punch in the face say what you want about boxing ,but you train to take a punch it is an eventuality, simple plan train eat sleep then apply your training in real time like the fight.

]]> By: nate http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-11185 nate Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:38:59 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-11185 Quick Point to clarify the model displayed talks about rate of adoption, not total market size, that talking off you are discussing is tailing of of NEW interest. The early adopters and others leaving is a completely different concept. Quick Point to clarify the model displayed talks about rate of adoption, not total market size, that talking off you are discussing is tailing of of NEW interest. The early adopters and others leaving is a completely different concept.

]]> By: Brent Emery Pieczynski http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-11033 Brent Emery Pieczynski Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:15:32 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-end-of-mixed-martial-arts/#comment-11033 There are even risk-adverse people inside of Tai Chi, with the Tai Chi set doing part of the physical-training. The body is also trained with push-hands, which will reveal stiff-spots and limp spots. I've fallen during practice, which only revealed my need to address stiff muscles. The people which want the largest quantity of students, will need to modify all of the items to the lowest risk possible. That largest group size possible, will have a portion of people which will intentionally injure other people. This liability-level caused by a large crowd of students, will cause such a heavy-restriction on techniques, 'twill cause Tai Chi to appear as more-brutal. There are even risk-adverse people inside of Tai Chi, with the Tai Chi set doing part of the physical-training. The body is also trained with push-hands, which will reveal stiff-spots and limp spots. I’ve fallen during practice, which only revealed my need to address stiff muscles.

The people which want the largest quantity of students, will need to modify all of the items to the lowest risk possible. That largest group size possible, will have a portion of people which will intentionally injure other people. This liability-level caused by a large crowd of students, will cause such a heavy-restriction on techniques, ’twill cause Tai Chi to appear as more-brutal.

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