Comments on: The Annotated Tao of Jeet Kune Do http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/ Martial arts for personal development Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:55:45 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Arun k. R. Maurya http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/comment-page-1/#comment-11310 Arun k. R. Maurya Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:52:58 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/#comment-11310 Bruce is still alive in the heart of martial arts like me because of his work. The philosiphies written by bruce are best & know one can write & so the same things. He prooved his philosiphies. easy to right philosiphies but to prove them is verry much hard. What he shown (did) in life is published by linda that is ok if the book is not written by brucelee because bruce did the things. Aftor showing the way each dog says that I was influence beforly the way. but main thing is that who shown & proved the way. There is no man who can perform like bruce hence they don't have the right to drop down the bruce lee's techniques or philosiphy. There is no matter of who written first on paper but it's matter of who shows proved first, by which we can know that the philosiphy exist in real world or not. In India in Hindi Language a line said - Jo jeeta woh sikandar aur baki ke bandar" Means- winner is sikandar who won Half of world & the looser is monkey. And the bruce is winner. Bruce is still alive in the heart of martial arts like me because of his work. The philosiphies written by bruce are best & know one can write & so the same things. He prooved his philosiphies. easy to right philosiphies but to prove them is verry much hard. What he shown (did) in life is published by linda that is ok if the book is not written by brucelee because bruce did the things. Aftor showing the way each dog says that I was influence beforly the way. but main thing is that who shown & proved the way. There is no man who can perform like bruce hence they don’t have the right to drop down the bruce lee’s techniques or philosiphy.
There is no matter of who written first on paper but it’s matter of who shows proved first, by which we can know that the philosiphy exist in real world or not.
In India in Hindi Language a line said – Jo jeeta woh sikandar aur baki ke bandar” Means- winner is sikandar who won Half of world & the looser is monkey. And the bruce is winner.

]]> By: HAL http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/comment-page-1/#comment-11277 HAL Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:20:58 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/#comment-11277 In most universities up to a PhD level we are taught that plagiarism is something that someone else wrote that you did not give credit to in your paper, using over three consecutive words, unless it is general knowledge that is at a 10th grade level or lower. Here is a big problem. Let us use something like; the water will roll where there is no resistance. The complex mind will not understand this, a fifth grader gets it! In our ever changing complex world we have burnt all those cells that are needed to really understand, you are told what and how to understand, you have been trained like monkeys, and you have accepted that as the norm. Out of the trillions of sentences written in just the English language, there will always be three words in a sentence, every sentence! So there is nothing you can write in today’s world that is 100% free of what you know as plagiarism. Here is another one to think on. When you direct a sentence at a different subject or use this information in a different context is it now still plagiarism. Here is one for you, you’re an idiot. This has been written over 400 trillion times yet now it is being aimed at you, that makes it new and it is general knowledge. I believe most of Bruce Lee’s writings were linked together to give meaning to the concepts of where the human mind meets the spirit in the form of combat. We use things in business like the 7 habits to know that your habits are connected to the way you live, the way you live is connected to the way you function in the business world. I was 12 years old when I found out about Bruce Lee. I was a great fan and of course wanted to be him, not like him. Years later after lessons in Calif. from a person I remember as Master Kim that had a permanent limp from a fight with Lee, or exhibition, or something like that. I remember the pictures showed them in the ring and Lee come down on the leg. He had a chain tied up about eight to nine feet in the air and would just jump up and kick it that was incredible for a man with a limp leg. I was handed a book and told that it was one of twelve in the world, written by Bruce Lee, it was hard to follow and all I remember it was all hand written and showed very little combat and mostly philosophy. So there are my thoughts on this situation. I wish he was here to read all these folks, some good and some might be a little mislead by there false teachings. I think I know a reply he might have and it would go something like this, just be you and you have already won! Do not structure your thoughts or life around mine, get on with it! Be kind in everything you do because you are the greatest. Hope you all happy thoughts! In most universities up to a PhD level we are taught that plagiarism is something that someone else wrote that you did not give credit to in your paper, using over three consecutive words, unless it is general knowledge that is at a 10th grade level or lower. Here is a big problem. Let us use something like; the water will roll where there is no resistance. The complex mind will not understand this, a fifth grader gets it! In our ever changing complex world we have burnt all those cells that are needed to really understand, you are told what and how to understand, you have been trained like monkeys, and you have accepted that as the norm. Out of the trillions of sentences written in just the English language, there will always be three words in a sentence, every sentence! So there is nothing you can write in today’s world that is 100% free of what you know as plagiarism.
Here is another one to think on. When you direct a sentence at a different subject or use this information in a different context is it now still plagiarism. Here is one for you, you’re an idiot. This has been written over 400 trillion times yet now it is being aimed at you, that makes it new and it is general knowledge. I believe most of Bruce Lee’s writings were linked together to give meaning to the concepts of where the human mind meets the spirit in the form of combat. We use things in business like the 7 habits to know that your habits are connected to the way you live, the way you live is connected to the way you function in the business world.
I was 12 years old when I found out about Bruce Lee. I was a great fan and of course wanted to be him, not like him. Years later after lessons in Calif. from a person I remember as Master Kim that had a permanent limp from a fight with Lee, or exhibition, or something like that. I remember the pictures showed them in the ring and Lee come down on the leg. He had a chain tied up about eight to nine feet in the air and would just jump up and kick it that was incredible for a man with a limp leg. I was handed a book and told that it was one of twelve in the world, written by Bruce Lee, it was hard to follow and all I remember it was all hand written and showed very little combat and mostly philosophy. So there are my thoughts on this situation.
I wish he was here to read all these folks, some good and some might be a little mislead by there false teachings. I think I know a reply he might have and it would go something like this, just be you and you have already won! Do not structure your thoughts or life around mine, get on with it! Be kind in everything you do because you are the greatest. Hope you all happy thoughts!

]]> By: jon http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/comment-page-1/#comment-11037 jon Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:44:35 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/#comment-11037 Chris long ago, as with most of his articles, reversed his illogical and unsupportable original thesis, backed off his claims and made new ones- so let this thread die or remove it. It brought him some web traffic while lowering his credibility. Wing Chun writers will remain insecure and write these sort of articles criticizing Lee until a wing chun student who can actually fightwith WC techniques appears and shores up their backbone. Wing Chun, Aikido and Ninjitsu guys, stop writing this drivel and take a boxing class. You will learn more in a month than in 5 years of WC. It won't improve your writing, but that's a different class. Kill this thread- the author can't defend it. Chris long ago, as with most of his articles, reversed his illogical and unsupportable original thesis, backed off his claims and made new ones- so let this thread die or remove it. It brought him some web traffic while lowering his credibility. Wing Chun writers will remain insecure and write these sort of articles criticizing Lee until a wing chun student who can actually fightwith WC techniques appears and shores up their backbone. Wing Chun, Aikido and Ninjitsu guys, stop writing this drivel and take a boxing class. You will learn more in a month than in 5 years of WC. It won’t improve your writing, but that’s a different class.
Kill this thread- the author can’t defend it.

]]> By: Marshall http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/comment-page-1/#comment-11036 Marshall Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:52:08 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/#comment-11036 Martial arts Mom- "I could be mistaken, or maybe the movie “Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story was mistaken, but didn’t his wife, Linda, help him write the book when he was injured so severely in the fight? (And I apologize if this was just artistic license that the movie producers took.)" Yes, it's totally artistic license to make the movie more dramatic. The question about how the book was compiled has already been addressed, so I won't go there, but I will ad that he was not hospitalized due to his fight with the china town representative. That fight actually took place impromptu in his school, when they showed up and challenged him. He was actually not injured in the fight, he won quite handily, and was only disappointed because it took too long. The injury actually came from a weight lifting accident when he hadn't properly warmed up, and pushed himself a little too hard on an exercise he called "good mornings". Martial arts Mom-
“I could be mistaken, or maybe the movie “Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story was mistaken, but didn’t his wife, Linda, help him write the book when he was injured so severely in the fight? (And I apologize if this was just artistic license that the movie producers took.)”

Yes, it’s totally artistic license to make the movie more dramatic. The question about how the book was compiled has already been addressed, so I won’t go there, but I will ad that he was not hospitalized due to his fight with the china town representative.
That fight actually took place impromptu in his school, when they showed up and challenged him. He was actually not injured in the fight, he won quite handily, and was only disappointed because it took too long.
The injury actually came from a weight lifting accident when he hadn’t properly warmed up, and pushed himself a little too hard on an exercise he called “good mornings”.

]]> By: Chris http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/comment-page-1/#comment-10093 Chris Thu, 21 May 2009 21:53:36 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/#comment-10093 Beverly, everything you have read regarding Tao of JKD, was written by people like me, in books and articles like this one. Having read and benefited from it, you now ask everyone else to move on? If you have nothing to contribute to this conversation, then please take your own advice. Beverly, everything you have read regarding Tao of JKD, was written by people like me, in books and articles like this one. Having read and benefited from it, you now ask everyone else to move on? If you have nothing to contribute to this conversation, then please take your own advice.

]]> By: beverly http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/comment-page-1/#comment-10086 beverly Wed, 20 May 2009 20:37:26 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/#comment-10086 Come on people ..Every current martial artist, philosopher etc. is a mimic or copy of every master/teacher that came before. Even Lao Tzu had a teacher . Everything that i have read regarding this book indicates that the man pulled his insights and information from many sources. So if Mr Lee is a plagerist then so is every and anyone that calls themselves an artist of any kind. Get over yourselves. Stop getting caught up in semantics. Take what you can from the book and move on. Come on people ..Every current martial artist, philosopher etc. is a mimic or copy of every master/teacher that came before. Even Lao Tzu had a teacher . Everything that i have read regarding this book indicates that the man pulled his insights and information from many sources. So if Mr Lee is a plagerist then so is every and anyone that calls themselves an artist of any kind.
Get over yourselves. Stop getting caught up in semantics. Take what you can from the book and move on.

]]> By: Chris http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/comment-page-1/#comment-9635 Chris Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:04:51 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/#comment-9635 Gweilo D, Bruce Lee thought the source texts were important enough to read in their entirety. That is the primary reason why people are still (mis)quoting him decades later. Gweilo D,
Bruce Lee thought the source texts were important enough to read in their entirety. That is the primary reason why people are still (mis)quoting him decades later.

]]> By: joshuahyoung http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/comment-page-1/#comment-9633 joshuahyoung Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:04:22 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/#comment-9633 Bruce Lee wrote and communicated a great deal. For many people writing and communicating is another facet of complete training. There is more to training then physical aspects, there are mental and spiritual aspects. Conversing on websites can be a part of training, it won't replace physical training, but someone who has physical training and mental training is a better martial artist than someone with only physical training. Bruce Lee is nobody special. He is over hyped and worshiped, but he was just another human being like you. I think that celebrity worship is idolatry for fools. Who cares what celebrities think and do. Live you own life. Bruce Lee wrote and communicated a great deal. For many people writing and communicating is another facet of complete training.
There is more to training then physical aspects, there are mental and spiritual aspects. Conversing on websites can be a part of training, it won’t replace physical training, but someone who has physical training and mental training is a better martial artist than someone with only physical training.

Bruce Lee is nobody special. He is over hyped and worshiped, but he was just another human being like you. I think that celebrity worship is idolatry for fools. Who cares what celebrities think and do. Live you own life.

]]> By: Gweilo D http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/comment-page-1/#comment-9632 Gweilo D Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:39:55 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/#comment-9632 in short, I think that this debate is sort of stupid. Bruce would be training instead of typing on this friggin website. ~ D ~ in short, I think that this debate is sort of stupid. Bruce would be training instead of typing on this friggin website.

~ D ~

]]> By: Gweilo D http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/comment-page-1/#comment-9631 Gweilo D Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:36:06 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/the-annotated-tao-of-jeet-kune-do/#comment-9631 Bruce Lee is dead. I'm sure he doesn't care about his reputation because he is in heaven kicking ass. Any martial artist of any real value circa 2009 has basically moved beyond the political shitstorm of the J.K.D. community and taken the heart and soul of Bruce Lee's self-discovery to basically enforce the principles of <i>Aliveness</i> into their intense and vigorous training as an athlete and fighter. All that recycled philosophical circular talk and incomplete 19-20th century boxing and fencing knowledge, really did need to be summed up in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. It provided the people who TRAIN and TEST with <i>Aliveness</i> (rather that sit around reading dead geniuses private and undeveloped concepts) a starting point to develop our own personal development. Look...don't look at the Tao of J.K.D. as an instruction book to limit your martial arts journey, but a shortcut to your own combative functionality and personal development. I know and train with people who personify the soul of Bruce Lee's training philosophy and motivations who never even picked up one of this books in their life, who don't even know what the letters J.K.D. stand for! They would read halfway though the first section of this book and express that "isn't this just common sense?" As for this book misleading two generations of martial artists: that is bullshit. If some traditionalist reads it and gets off the path to disapointment and failure, that a is positive outcome. But for me the Tao of J.K.D. served as a way to organize my own thoughts and training and did not just create a new cicle of the downfalls in martial arts that Bruce Lee had raged against in his life. ~ D ~ Bruce Lee is dead. I’m sure he doesn’t care about his reputation because he is in heaven kicking ass.

Any martial artist of any real value circa 2009 has basically moved beyond the political shitstorm of the J.K.D. community and taken the heart and soul of Bruce Lee’s self-discovery to basically enforce the principles of Aliveness into their intense and vigorous training as an athlete and fighter.

All that recycled philosophical circular talk and incomplete 19-20th century boxing and fencing knowledge, really did need to be summed up in the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. It provided the people who TRAIN and TEST with Aliveness (rather that sit around reading dead geniuses private and undeveloped concepts) a starting point to develop our own personal development.

Look…don’t look at the Tao of J.K.D. as an instruction book to limit your martial arts journey, but a shortcut to your own combative functionality and personal development.

I know and train with people who personify the soul of Bruce Lee’s training philosophy and motivations who never even picked up one of this books in their life, who don’t even know what the letters J.K.D. stand for! They would read halfway though the first section of this book and express that “isn’t this just common sense?”

As for this book misleading two generations of martial artists: that is bullshit. If some traditionalist reads it and gets off the path to disapointment and failure, that a is positive outcome. But for me the Tao of J.K.D. served as a way to organize my own thoughts and training and did not just create a new cicle of the downfalls in martial arts that Bruce Lee had raged against in his life.

~ D ~

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