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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/real-taiji-looks-fake/#comment-11292</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Scheflin: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Can you take control over somebody&#039;s mind, to the point where they are essentially your robot, and they are not aware that they are so acting?  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/watch-the-men-who-stare-at-goats-online/comment-page-1/#comment-11291&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The answer is yes.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Scheflin: </p>
<blockquote><p>Can you take control over somebody&#8217;s mind, to the point where they are essentially your robot, and they are not aware that they are so acting?  <a href="http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/watch-the-men-who-stare-at-goats-online/comment-page-1/#comment-11291" rel="nofollow">The answer is yes.</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Precognition and Psychic Martial Arts: A Scientific Perspective</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/real-taiji-looks-fake/#comment-10752</link>
		<dc:creator>Precognition and Psychic Martial Arts: A Scientific Perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] arts training might be an ideal route to its cultivation. In what other setting could you willfully misdirect another person&#8217;s autonomic nervous system or subconscious mind, without violating ethical [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/real-taiji-looks-fake/#comment-9891</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent, how do we know that emotions are real, and that they affect our health?  Is it because our emotions have been shown to effect inanimate objects in a &quot;valid scientific test&quot;?

Do you want to apply a different standard to chi than you have accepted for emotion?

The hypnosis &quot;problem&quot; is not necessarily a problem with respect to application--where IF it works is more important than HOW it works.  Keeping that in mind, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/can-qigong-soothe-these-savage-beasts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this kikou (qigong) video&lt;/a&gt; may address some of your concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent, how do we know that emotions are real, and that they affect our health?  Is it because our emotions have been shown to effect inanimate objects in a &#8220;valid scientific test&#8221;?</p>
<p>Do you want to apply a different standard to chi than you have accepted for emotion?</p>
<p>The hypnosis &#8220;problem&#8221; is not necessarily a problem with respect to application&#8211;where IF it works is more important than HOW it works.  Keeping that in mind, <a href="http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/can-qigong-soothe-these-savage-beasts/" rel="nofollow">this kikou (qigong) video</a> may address some of your concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Emery Pieczynski</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/real-taiji-looks-fake/#comment-9889</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Emery Pieczynski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This tactical-level of any endeavor of a martial-nature, will require rapid removal of that other person&#039;s ability to fight. Those specific martial-arts such as tai chi, will apply a perspective of how the world must be, those agreements and needed material do just cling to the structure, of a world-perspective.

The strategic-perspective will involve groups inside of the government perceiving short-term gain, with their arming the worst possible people. This situation will become an arms race. That question of testing chi on non-living objects, to avoid issues of combat-oriented-applied-hypnosis is needed. 

A belief in something being true can arrange the perception of it being true.  How is a person to test for Chi, with out having response to the idea of chi, generating the perception, of chi? This questioning about what does define a validly constructed test, will be a critical-item when researching chi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This tactical-level of any endeavor of a martial-nature, will require rapid removal of that other person&#8217;s ability to fight. Those specific martial-arts such as tai chi, will apply a perspective of how the world must be, those agreements and needed material do just cling to the structure, of a world-perspective.</p>
<p>The strategic-perspective will involve groups inside of the government perceiving short-term gain, with their arming the worst possible people. This situation will become an arms race. That question of testing chi on non-living objects, to avoid issues of combat-oriented-applied-hypnosis is needed. </p>
<p>A belief in something being true can arrange the perception of it being true.  How is a person to test for Chi, with out having response to the idea of chi, generating the perception, of chi? This questioning about what does define a validly constructed test, will be a critical-item when researching chi.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Brown Proves No-Touch Knockdowns are Real, and Fake</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/real-taiji-looks-fake/#comment-9442</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Brown Proves No-Touch Knockdowns are Real, and Fake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] no-touch demonstrations have been repeated dozens if not thousands of times, by other people (e.g. Shi Ming), in other arenas. That proves &#8220;empty force&#8221; is real. Nobody has employed this supposed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Human to God</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/real-taiji-looks-fake/#comment-8727</link>
		<dc:creator>Human to God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mastering the self is the ultimate weapon.
Because it allows one to adapt to the situation.
I am sure if a true Qi-Dao or Taoist master(or similar) happened to live in the inner city
that person would protect themselves much like everyone else. With a gun, burglar alarm, locked doors etc.

My family are Christian fanatics who beleive prayer will solve anything. However prayer without the requisite action to support it is meaning less from an objective point of view. 
I challenge them by asking why do they purchase insurance, work jobs, pay bills, etc if prayter solves everything?  and they usually reply with the general(one has to live). And I say, exactly.

I have practced, qi-gong, taichi, and am starting on Qi Dao and Kuji-in.  However I also practice my own mix of JKD, Kajukenbo, and after I study Shorinji Kempo I will travel to Stepehen Hayes school to learn some ninpo as well.

I also have a valid gun license and carrying permit.
I will never seek out a fight, and if possible I will attempt to either avoid it, or defuse it, but if need be I will use deadly force.

Some says this goes against peaceful teachings. However who questions the destruction of the hurricane and the tsunami.

They are natural and pure yet destructive at the same time.

This is my goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mastering the self is the ultimate weapon.<br />
Because it allows one to adapt to the situation.<br />
I am sure if a true Qi-Dao or Taoist master(or similar) happened to live in the inner city<br />
that person would protect themselves much like everyone else. With a gun, burglar alarm, locked doors etc.</p>
<p>My family are Christian fanatics who beleive prayer will solve anything. However prayer without the requisite action to support it is meaning less from an objective point of view.<br />
I challenge them by asking why do they purchase insurance, work jobs, pay bills, etc if prayter solves everything?  and they usually reply with the general(one has to live). And I say, exactly.</p>
<p>I have practced, qi-gong, taichi, and am starting on Qi Dao and Kuji-in.  However I also practice my own mix of JKD, Kajukenbo, and after I study Shorinji Kempo I will travel to Stepehen Hayes school to learn some ninpo as well.</p>
<p>I also have a valid gun license and carrying permit.<br />
I will never seek out a fight, and if possible I will attempt to either avoid it, or defuse it, but if need be I will use deadly force.</p>
<p>Some says this goes against peaceful teachings. However who questions the destruction of the hurricane and the tsunami.</p>
<p>They are natural and pure yet destructive at the same time.</p>
<p>This is my goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflections on Bruce Lee’s Water: Does Skill Actually Matter?</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/real-taiji-looks-fake/#comment-5567</link>
		<dc:creator>Reflections on Bruce Lee’s Water: Does Skill Actually Matter?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] audiences expect to be entertained, after all, and genuine soft-style martial arts applications appear staged and phony—an insult to the viewer’s intelligence! So we could instead look to real-life demonstrations by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/real-taiji-looks-fake/#comment-5016</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;However, we are not all peace-minded monks living apart from the greater society, as idealistic as that would be. In the real world, people are not always reasonable, people are not always nice. And while we should always search for a non-violent end to an encounter, we aren’t always afforded that opportunity, nor are we always level-headed enough to see if that opportunity exists. We are, after all, human and therefore prone to error. I’m sure there are hundreds, if not thousands, of cases in this country alone where a person has tried to end a conflict peacefully and been rewarded with a bat to the head, a bullet to the brain, or a rope around the neck. Honestly, I doubt boxing skill would have fared them much better, but I believe then they would have had at least a fighting chance.&lt;/i&gt;

If you&#039;ve already conceded that fights begin in the mind, then why are you now equating no-contact with non-violence?

Sun Tzu was no peace-loving monk.

&lt;i&gt;Going back to the subject at hand, for what purpose are the techniques of Shi Ming meant for?  My biggest problem with it is that it seems to be, for all intents and purposes, fake. His students are simply going along with the wishes of the teacher...&lt;/i&gt;

See the post that started this conversation.

&lt;i&gt;...and there’s no mystic energy or magic involved. Don’t get me wrong, I wholeheartedly believe qigong works, having witnessed it first-hand in the form of bending bars and spears, walking on eggs and paper, and other typical qigong demonstrations. But what practical purpose do these “no-touch” throws have? Get people to believe in your power and you can get them to throw themselves?&lt;/i&gt;

I would shorten that to just &quot;get people to throw themselves&quot;, and if it can be accomplished then its practicality is obvious.

&lt;i&gt;The same message can be found in salesman’s manuals.&lt;/i&gt;

Which proves it false, or true?

&lt;i&gt;And if he’s selling it as a martial skill that can be applied in combat, then it’s certainly no better than a scam, a con artist using tricks to win over the hearts and minds of his students.&lt;/i&gt;

I do not want to promote or denigrate Shi Ming in particular, and I see now that his video was not the best way to introduce this broad topic.  Time to move on to more concrete issues, I think, keeping in mind the following points:

1. Every fight begins in the mind.
2. A stitch in time saves nine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However, we are not all peace-minded monks living apart from the greater society, as idealistic as that would be. In the real world, people are not always reasonable, people are not always nice. And while we should always search for a non-violent end to an encounter, we aren’t always afforded that opportunity, nor are we always level-headed enough to see if that opportunity exists. We are, after all, human and therefore prone to error. I’m sure there are hundreds, if not thousands, of cases in this country alone where a person has tried to end a conflict peacefully and been rewarded with a bat to the head, a bullet to the brain, or a rope around the neck. Honestly, I doubt boxing skill would have fared them much better, but I believe then they would have had at least a fighting chance.</i></p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve already conceded that fights begin in the mind, then why are you now equating no-contact with non-violence?</p>
<p>Sun Tzu was no peace-loving monk.</p>
<p><i>Going back to the subject at hand, for what purpose are the techniques of Shi Ming meant for?  My biggest problem with it is that it seems to be, for all intents and purposes, fake. His students are simply going along with the wishes of the teacher&#8230;</i></p>
<p>See the post that started this conversation.</p>
<p><i>&#8230;and there’s no mystic energy or magic involved. Don’t get me wrong, I wholeheartedly believe qigong works, having witnessed it first-hand in the form of bending bars and spears, walking on eggs and paper, and other typical qigong demonstrations. But what practical purpose do these “no-touch” throws have? Get people to believe in your power and you can get them to throw themselves?</i></p>
<p>I would shorten that to just &#8220;get people to throw themselves&#8221;, and if it can be accomplished then its practicality is obvious.</p>
<p><i>The same message can be found in salesman’s manuals.</i></p>
<p>Which proves it false, or true?</p>
<p><i>And if he’s selling it as a martial skill that can be applied in combat, then it’s certainly no better than a scam, a con artist using tricks to win over the hearts and minds of his students.</i></p>
<p>I do not want to promote or denigrate Shi Ming in particular, and I see now that his video was not the best way to introduce this broad topic.  Time to move on to more concrete issues, I think, keeping in mind the following points:</p>
<p>1. Every fight begins in the mind.<br />
2. A stitch in time saves nine!</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/real-taiji-looks-fake/#comment-5015</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I met Andrew a couple of times. He told me it was all a set up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met Andrew a couple of times. He told me it was all a set up.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying your position, I know what you&#039;re talking about now.

I&#039;m not denying that one&#039;s mindset is the beginning and end of all conflicts; Sun Tzu even proclaimed that victory is won before a single strike is made.

However, we are not all peace-minded monks living apart from the greater society, as idealistic as that would be. In the real world, people are not always reasonable, people are not always nice. And while we should always search for a non-violent end to an encounter, we aren&#039;t always afforded that opportunity, nor are we always level-headed enough to see if that opportunity exists. We are, after all, human and therefore prone to error. I&#039;m sure there are hundreds, if not thousands, of cases in this country alone where a person has tried to end a conflict peacefully and been rewarded with a bat to the head, a bullet to the brain, or a rope around the neck. Honestly, I doubt boxing skill would have fared them much better, but I believe then they would have had at least a fighting chance.

But I digress, and I apologize for getting so far off topic. I was trying to understand what your beliefs on the matter were, and I think I&#039;ve grasped a good deal of it. I must confess that I&#039;m not quite as fair-minded as you, and have yet to accumulate as much wisdom.

Going back to the subject at hand, for what purpose are the techniques of Shi Ming meant for? My biggest problem with it is that it seems to be, for all intents and purposes, fake. His students are simply going along with the wishes of the teacher, and there&#039;s no mystic energy or magic involved. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I wholeheartedly believe qigong works, having witnessed it first-hand in the form of bending bars and spears, walking on eggs and paper, and other typical qigong demonstrations. But what practical purpose do these &quot;no-touch&quot; throws have? Get people to believe in your power and you can get them to throw themselves? The same message can be found in salesman&#039;s manuals. And if he&#039;s selling it as a martial skill that can be applied in combat, then it&#039;s certainly no better than a scam, a con artist using tricks to win over the hearts and minds of his students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying your position, I know what you&#8217;re talking about now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not denying that one&#8217;s mindset is the beginning and end of all conflicts; Sun Tzu even proclaimed that victory is won before a single strike is made.</p>
<p>However, we are not all peace-minded monks living apart from the greater society, as idealistic as that would be. In the real world, people are not always reasonable, people are not always nice. And while we should always search for a non-violent end to an encounter, we aren&#8217;t always afforded that opportunity, nor are we always level-headed enough to see if that opportunity exists. We are, after all, human and therefore prone to error. I&#8217;m sure there are hundreds, if not thousands, of cases in this country alone where a person has tried to end a conflict peacefully and been rewarded with a bat to the head, a bullet to the brain, or a rope around the neck. Honestly, I doubt boxing skill would have fared them much better, but I believe then they would have had at least a fighting chance.</p>
<p>But I digress, and I apologize for getting so far off topic. I was trying to understand what your beliefs on the matter were, and I think I&#8217;ve grasped a good deal of it. I must confess that I&#8217;m not quite as fair-minded as you, and have yet to accumulate as much wisdom.</p>
<p>Going back to the subject at hand, for what purpose are the techniques of Shi Ming meant for? My biggest problem with it is that it seems to be, for all intents and purposes, fake. His students are simply going along with the wishes of the teacher, and there&#8217;s no mystic energy or magic involved. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I wholeheartedly believe qigong works, having witnessed it first-hand in the form of bending bars and spears, walking on eggs and paper, and other typical qigong demonstrations. But what practical purpose do these &#8220;no-touch&#8221; throws have? Get people to believe in your power and you can get them to throw themselves? The same message can be found in salesman&#8217;s manuals. And if he&#8217;s selling it as a martial skill that can be applied in combat, then it&#8217;s certainly no better than a scam, a con artist using tricks to win over the hearts and minds of his students.</p>
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