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	<title>Comments on: Master Wang Says: &#8220;Taijiquan Sucks&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Sean M</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/master-wang-says-taijiquan-sucks/#comment-16120</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are indeed countless taijiquan practitioners who do not have the essence of taijiquan, however there are also several who do have it...

You can judge a style of taijiquan or other martial art in various ways depending on what one wants to gain from it, but various things can be attained from various styles of martial art.  Different styles have different benefits...

However some taijiquan styles are useless and sometimes harmful, but you cannot judge all styles of taijiquan as false only because some styles are false or harmful.  

Martial arts are not always primarily for combat efficiency, some are art forms for cultivation on various levels, body, mind, internal energy, spirit etc...  Other martial arts are for combat efficiency or sport...

Taijiquan can be quite good in combat when practiced by a master, but would a master of something more straightforward such as mixed martial arts or jeet kune do be more efficient if mastered for the sake of combat?  I cannot say, for I am far from being a master of any martial art...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are indeed countless taijiquan practitioners who do not have the essence of taijiquan, however there are also several who do have it&#8230;</p>
<p>You can judge a style of taijiquan or other martial art in various ways depending on what one wants to gain from it, but various things can be attained from various styles of martial art.  Different styles have different benefits&#8230;</p>
<p>However some taijiquan styles are useless and sometimes harmful, but you cannot judge all styles of taijiquan as false only because some styles are false or harmful.  </p>
<p>Martial arts are not always primarily for combat efficiency, some are art forms for cultivation on various levels, body, mind, internal energy, spirit etc&#8230;  Other martial arts are for combat efficiency or sport&#8230;</p>
<p>Taijiquan can be quite good in combat when practiced by a master, but would a master of something more straightforward such as mixed martial arts or jeet kune do be more efficient if mastered for the sake of combat?  I cannot say, for I am far from being a master of any martial art&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve H</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/master-wang-says-taijiquan-sucks/#comment-14678</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 14:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious from some comments that Grand Master Wang Xiang Zhai is unknown to the writer. Born in 1885, he studied hsingi with Guo Yun Sin then later travelled China, studying with the great masters of the day. In the 1920s he became critical of the decline in the country&#039;s martial arts. He developed da cheng chuan &quot;Great Accomplishment&quot; and issued a standing challenge to martial artists to best him.  This was never taken up. He died circa 1963 but the lineage lives on with his students</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious from some comments that Grand Master Wang Xiang Zhai is unknown to the writer. Born in 1885, he studied hsingi with Guo Yun Sin then later travelled China, studying with the great masters of the day. In the 1920s he became critical of the decline in the country&#8217;s martial arts. He developed da cheng chuan &#8220;Great Accomplishment&#8221; and issued a standing challenge to martial artists to best him.  This was never taken up. He died circa 1963 but the lineage lives on with his students</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/master-wang-says-taijiquan-sucks/#comment-11776</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 01:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is rarely the art.  In fact, I&#039;d go so far as to say that any art can be highly effective if trained in properly.  That said I have to agree that most Tai Chi practitioners these days have a limited, at best, understanding of how to fight with their art of choice.  That same statement applies to most karatekas, tae kwon do stylists, etc.  It&#039;s becoming rare that a martial artist of any style becomes an exceptionally talented fighter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is rarely the art.  In fact, I&#8217;d go so far as to say that any art can be highly effective if trained in properly.  That said I have to agree that most Tai Chi practitioners these days have a limited, at best, understanding of how to fight with their art of choice.  That same statement applies to most karatekas, tae kwon do stylists, etc.  It&#8217;s becoming rare that a martial artist of any style becomes an exceptionally talented fighter.</p>
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		<title>By: B.BarNavi</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/master-wang-says-taijiquan-sucks/#comment-11700</link>
		<dc:creator>B.BarNavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my research is correct... I think this is the one and only founder of Yiquan... who himself was a Xingyi practitioner. And he&#039;s been dead for ages, so it&#039;s not he &quot;says&quot;, but rather &quot;said&quot;.

OK, so apparently deriving from his own knowledge of Neijia, he has deemed orthodox Tai Chi to be outmoded at best and dangerously limited at worst. He was also apparently personally acquainted with the Yang grandmasters.

Now, I&#039;m puzzled at his characterization of Tai Chi as &quot;mechanical&quot;, when I have seen it to be nothing more than fluid and (yes) natural. Certainly more than Wang&#039;s prized Xingyi - now THAT&#039;S a mechanical (dare I say, robotic) martial art!

I might agree with him in criticizing the use of the taolu/kata/form as a manner of training. That seems to gotten over everyone&#039;s heads here in the comments (including my own).

I myself am not familiar with Yiquan, but it appears that Wang decided to dispense with taolu altogether, and instead decided to focus on sparring form, akin to Western boxing.

Consensus? I think that Wang was just trying to promote his own art, and in the process disrespectfully pooh-pooh&#039;d other arts. If he believed that his training method was more practical and superior, and that orthodox Chinese MA practice was to be thrown by the wayside, then that&#039;s a perfectly valid opinion to have for himself. (Perhaps it wasn&#039;t as malicious as it was framed here.) But then he couldn&#039;t bash those arts with such vitriol and still claim he had wude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my research is correct&#8230; I think this is the one and only founder of Yiquan&#8230; who himself was a Xingyi practitioner. And he&#8217;s been dead for ages, so it&#8217;s not he &#8220;says&#8221;, but rather &#8220;said&#8221;.</p>
<p>OK, so apparently deriving from his own knowledge of Neijia, he has deemed orthodox Tai Chi to be outmoded at best and dangerously limited at worst. He was also apparently personally acquainted with the Yang grandmasters.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m puzzled at his characterization of Tai Chi as &#8220;mechanical&#8221;, when I have seen it to be nothing more than fluid and (yes) natural. Certainly more than Wang&#8217;s prized Xingyi &#8211; now THAT&#8217;S a mechanical (dare I say, robotic) martial art!</p>
<p>I might agree with him in criticizing the use of the taolu/kata/form as a manner of training. That seems to gotten over everyone&#8217;s heads here in the comments (including my own).</p>
<p>I myself am not familiar with Yiquan, but it appears that Wang decided to dispense with taolu altogether, and instead decided to focus on sparring form, akin to Western boxing.</p>
<p>Consensus? I think that Wang was just trying to promote his own art, and in the process disrespectfully pooh-pooh&#8217;d other arts. If he believed that his training method was more practical and superior, and that orthodox Chinese MA practice was to be thrown by the wayside, then that&#8217;s a perfectly valid opinion to have for himself. (Perhaps it wasn&#8217;t as malicious as it was framed here.) But then he couldn&#8217;t bash those arts with such vitriol and still claim he had wude.</p>
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		<title>By: B.BarNavi</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/master-wang-says-taijiquan-sucks/#comment-11698</link>
		<dc:creator>B.BarNavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just what does this so-called Master Wang actually do, anyway? Xingyi? Wing Chun? Or just another generic external martial art? What does he know that makes him think he can judge a firmly established art to be inferior?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just what does this so-called Master Wang actually do, anyway? Xingyi? Wing Chun? Or just another generic external martial art? What does he know that makes him think he can judge a firmly established art to be inferior?</p>
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		<title>By: B.BarNavi</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/master-wang-says-taijiquan-sucks/#comment-11697</link>
		<dc:creator>B.BarNavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snakey never mentioned anything about a cult. In your effort to bash an art you know absolutely jack about, you make stuff up out of thin air while claiming the other is lying.

The POINT of slow Tai Chi forms is that the coordination (breathing, hand movement, and center of gravity) is perfected to a degree that when if comes time to fight, everything comes together in a snap movement.

The core of Tai Chi is strong root and balance. This fact alone make Tai Chi a favorite form of practice for Shuaijiao practitioners. Don&#039;t believe me? Look up YouTube for a list of Tai Chi masters in actual fights.

Many of the redirection moves in Tai Chi show up in Aikido and Jujutsu, and subsequently Judo. Is the latter a &quot;pussy martial art&quot;?

Punching and kicking is NOT always the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snakey never mentioned anything about a cult. In your effort to bash an art you know absolutely jack about, you make stuff up out of thin air while claiming the other is lying.</p>
<p>The POINT of slow Tai Chi forms is that the coordination (breathing, hand movement, and center of gravity) is perfected to a degree that when if comes time to fight, everything comes together in a snap movement.</p>
<p>The core of Tai Chi is strong root and balance. This fact alone make Tai Chi a favorite form of practice for Shuaijiao practitioners. Don&#8217;t believe me? Look up YouTube for a list of Tai Chi masters in actual fights.</p>
<p>Many of the redirection moves in Tai Chi show up in Aikido and Jujutsu, and subsequently Judo. Is the latter a &#8220;pussy martial art&#8221;?</p>
<p>Punching and kicking is NOT always the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@snakeyfistfighter ... thanks for the lies. I doubt you have ever faced any &quot;ruffian&quot; or you would&#039;ve gotten your ass kicked using your cult brainwashed slow new age bs. Real people don&#039;t hold back and play nice like your cult. As for your gun, yeah that&#039;s nice when you do have a gun, but unfortunately it&#039;s not attached to your body and you can&#039;t take it everywhere.

 Why waste time claiming you can use Tai Chi in unarmed combat, if you&#039;re gonna deflect into armed combat. That&#039;s nice a gun can beat an unarmed guy, big deal ... there&#039;s nothing saying the other guy can&#039;t have a gun too, and if neither of you do, your Tai Chi gets your ass kicked. 

Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Boxing and wrestling work. Of course that kind of thing actually hurts to learn and is too real &quot;fighting&quot; for most people who just want a fake badass feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@snakeyfistfighter &#8230; thanks for the lies. I doubt you have ever faced any &#8220;ruffian&#8221; or you would&#8217;ve gotten your ass kicked using your cult brainwashed slow new age bs. Real people don&#8217;t hold back and play nice like your cult. As for your gun, yeah that&#8217;s nice when you do have a gun, but unfortunately it&#8217;s not attached to your body and you can&#8217;t take it everywhere.</p>
<p> Why waste time claiming you can use Tai Chi in unarmed combat, if you&#8217;re gonna deflect into armed combat. That&#8217;s nice a gun can beat an unarmed guy, big deal &#8230; there&#8217;s nothing saying the other guy can&#8217;t have a gun too, and if neither of you do, your Tai Chi gets your ass kicked. </p>
<p>Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Boxing and wrestling work. Of course that kind of thing actually hurts to learn and is too real &#8220;fighting&#8221; for most people who just want a fake badass feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Snakeyfistfighter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snakeyfistfighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For exercise I prefer Tai Chi because it  saves me from falling on ice, has kept numerous ruffians from laying on hands in addition to having saved me in my entire life from back injury and keeping carpal tunnel away.   For defeating foes in mortal combat, the way of the gun is best.  I favor the Mossberg and challenge any hand-to-hand fighter in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For exercise I prefer Tai Chi because it  saves me from falling on ice, has kept numerous ruffians from laying on hands in addition to having saved me in my entire life from back injury and keeping carpal tunnel away.   For defeating foes in mortal combat, the way of the gun is best.  I favor the Mossberg and challenge any hand-to-hand fighter in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Gir001</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gir001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ma Fu-chen I was wondering what style of taiji you studied and have you studied more than one, I just wanted your opinion cause &quot;thank my lucky stars&quot; I haven&#039;t been in a life threatening situation yet to test my metal as such but which would you consider as being  most practical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ma Fu-chen I was wondering what style of taiji you studied and have you studied more than one, I just wanted your opinion cause &#8220;thank my lucky stars&#8221; I haven&#8217;t been in a life threatening situation yet to test my metal as such but which would you consider as being  most practical.</p>
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		<title>By: Ma Fu-Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ma Fu-Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is Master Wang? I can not believe a true master  would place himself in such a position. I am not a Master, but have practiced Tai Chi for over 30 years and would be willing to challenge Master Wang to full contact combat with last man standing as winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is Master Wang? I can not believe a true master  would place himself in such a position. I am not a Master, but have practiced Tai Chi for over 30 years and would be willing to challenge Master Wang to full contact combat with last man standing as winner.</p>
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