Comments on: How to Bend an Unbendable Arm http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/ Martial arts for personal development Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:01:54 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Stephen Goodson http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/comment-page-1/#comment-11264 Stephen Goodson Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:39:53 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/#comment-11264 Just an FYI - Another explanation of the same trick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7vBd8Z47ZE&feature=related Just an FYI – Another explanation of the same trick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7vBd8Z47ZE&feature=related

]]> By: Charles Stuangstabilac http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/comment-page-1/#comment-5973 Charles Stuangstabilac Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:28:41 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/#comment-5973 When the man tries it, the two people are face to face, and his elbow is bent. When the woman tries it, she is off at a 45 degree angle and her elbow is not bent. This is retarded. It has nothing to do with the feet or the spine. When the man tries it, the two people are face to face, and his elbow is bent. When the woman tries it, she is off at a 45 degree angle and her elbow is not bent. This is retarded. It has nothing to do with the feet or the spine.

]]> By: Chris http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/comment-page-1/#comment-5084 Chris Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:18:01 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/#comment-5084 Bruce, strangely enough, I have experienced dim mak and performed no-touch throws, but I have yet to meet anyone who could create the unbendable arm solely through the use of ki. Not to say it is impossible. Sensei Patrick Parker: <blockquote>The Japanese term is orenaite, which means something close to, "The arm that is not to be bent." Notice that this is not really the same thing as "the unbendable arm." It is an advisory to not bend your arm - not to be so strong that your arm can't be bent.</blockquote> Bruce, strangely enough, I have experienced dim mak and performed no-touch throws, but I have yet to meet anyone who could create the unbendable arm solely through the use of ki. Not to say it is impossible.

Sensei Patrick Parker:

The Japanese term is orenaite, which means something close to, “The arm that is not to be bent.” Notice that this is not really the same thing as “the unbendable arm.” It is an advisory to not bend your arm – not to be so strong that your arm can’t be bent.

]]> By: jesse http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/comment-page-1/#comment-5078 jesse Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:20:58 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/#comment-5078 no comment no comment

]]> By: bruce, www.martialartsmarketplace.com http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/comment-page-1/#comment-5077 bruce, www.martialartsmarketplace.com Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:07:39 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/#comment-5077 Hi Chris, You are right, the unbendable arm in the video is different and is totally related to biomechanics. The unbendable arm I am referring to is when you are facing the person and resting the back of your hand on that persons shoulder. Then the person tries to bend your arm by pushing down on the arm. I will try the experiment you are referring to and let you know how it turns out. Try the unbendable arm and picture that your arm is a firehose with water shooting through it. If you really believe the water is going through your arm, the other person will not be able to bend it. I would recommend standing on flat ground, but if you want to try unbalanced it could be interesting. thanks, Bruce Hi Chris,
You are right, the unbendable arm in the video is different and is totally related to biomechanics. The unbendable arm I am referring to is when you are facing the person and resting the back of your hand on that persons shoulder. Then the person tries to bend your arm by pushing down on the arm.
I will try the experiment you are referring to and let you know how it turns out. Try the unbendable arm and picture that your arm is a firehose with water shooting through it. If you really believe the water is going through your arm, the other person will not be able to bend it. I would recommend standing on flat ground, but if you want to try unbalanced it could be interesting.
thanks,
Bruce

]]> By: Chris http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/comment-page-1/#comment-5074 Chris Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:43:56 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/#comment-5074 Stephen, I realize that this video is merely <i>an</i> unbendable arm demo, not <i>the</i> unbendable arm. My point, in retrospect poorly made, was that ki is not equivalent to biomechanics. I have tried the experiment depicted in the video with three other people. One said the hip adjustment made a slight difference, two said it did not. Stephen,
I realize that this video is merely an unbendable arm demo, not the unbendable arm. My point, in retrospect poorly made, was that ki is not equivalent to biomechanics.

I have tried the experiment depicted in the video with three other people. One said the hip adjustment made a slight difference, two said it did not.

]]> By: Bruce, martialartsmarketplace.com http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/comment-page-1/#comment-5052 Bruce, martialartsmarketplace.com Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:06:59 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/#comment-5052 I met an old aikido master once. I mean this guy must have been in his late eighties. Anyway, he rested his arm on my shoulder and told me to try to bend it. Obviously I could not. Then he told me to put my arm on his shoulder and imagine that my arm was a firehose with water rushing though it. My arm was relaxed but he was not able to bend it. I have also done this with other people and they too could not bend my arm. The aikido master then knelt on the floor and asked the rest of us to try to push him over. There were about ten of us and as hard as we tried we could not move him. I would say he has pretty strong ki. I met an old aikido master once. I mean this guy must have been in his late eighties. Anyway, he rested his arm on my shoulder and told me to try to bend it. Obviously I could not. Then he told me to put my arm on his shoulder and imagine that my arm was a firehose with water rushing though it. My arm was relaxed but he was not able to bend it. I have also done this with other people and they too could not bend my arm.
The aikido master then knelt on the floor and asked the rest of us to try to push him over. There were about ten of us and as hard as we tried we could not move him. I would say he has pretty strong ki.

]]> By: Stephen J. Goodson http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/comment-page-1/#comment-5049 Stephen J. Goodson Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:14:05 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/#comment-5049 "The Unbendable Arm that Wasn't." Umm... that isn't Unbendable Arm. The drawing on your page, attributed to Oscar Ratti, shows the setup for Unbendable Arm (UA). You are not doing UA; you are doing a different "feat of strength"*. UA is about increasing strength, this trick is about decreasing strength. This type of test is often used in Applied Kinesiology to test substances held in the hand or mouth (http://tinyurl.com/yqpw63)-- Strong, the substance is good for you; weak, the substance is bad for you. Bunk. Your explanation of how to defeat this specific feat-of-strength is also not correct. You said "try it", and I did, and it is off. I tried it with the distal foot 1/2 inch, 1 inch and 3 inches off kilter. I tried it on one leg, then the other. I tried it a number of different ways to "misaligning my spine". The deltoid (which lifts the arm) was just as strong in all positions. I feel that the young lady in the video had the "right method but the wrong explanation". Watch her start to push and then take two steps back and then continue to push. Detail = Devil. I would say that the key point you made was that there is a technique that "decreases [your opponents] ability to resist your force." The deltoid's (or almost any muscle group, or the body as a whole) ability to resist a force can be reduced from the exact same position that that it was strongest in. I am not writing to give hell. You are giving these feats-of-strength a 'good shake' to see what falls out, and I champion that! But keep shaking this one! Good luck, Stephen J. Goodson * = Is there a name for this trick? I was shown it back in 1991 in Atlanta from a "Magnetic Healer" (poor gal, a story I have yet to write up!). I guess it could be called Undepressable Arm? But that sounds a bit emo' I think. How about, "severing the strength"! “The Unbendable Arm that Wasn’t.”

Umm… that isn’t Unbendable Arm. The drawing on your page, attributed to Oscar Ratti, shows the setup for Unbendable Arm (UA). You are not doing UA; you are doing a different “feat of strength”*. UA is about increasing strength, this trick is about decreasing strength.

This type of test is often used in Applied Kinesiology to test substances held in the hand or mouth (http://tinyurl.com/yqpw63)– Strong, the substance is good for you; weak, the substance is bad for you. Bunk.

Your explanation of how to defeat this specific feat-of-strength is also not correct.

You said “try it”, and I did, and it is off. I tried it with the distal foot 1/2 inch, 1 inch and 3 inches off kilter. I tried it on one leg, then the other. I tried it a number of different ways to “misaligning my spine”. The deltoid (which lifts the arm) was just as strong in all positions.

I feel that the young lady in the video had the “right method but the wrong explanation”. Watch her start to push and then take two steps back and then continue to push. Detail = Devil.

I would say that the key point you made was that there is a technique that “decreases [your opponents] ability to resist your force.” The deltoid’s (or almost any muscle group, or the body as a whole) ability to resist a force can be reduced from the exact same position that that it was strongest in.

I am not writing to give hell. You are giving these feats-of-strength a ‘good shake’ to see what falls out, and I champion that! But keep shaking this one!

Good luck,
Stephen J. Goodson

* = Is there a name for this trick? I was shown it back in 1991 in Atlanta from a “Magnetic Healer” (poor gal, a story I have yet to write up!). I guess it could be called Undepressable Arm? But that sounds a bit emo’ I think. How about, “severing the strength”!

]]> By: Unbendable arm - better explanation « Aikido http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/comment-page-1/#comment-4564 Unbendable arm - better explanation « Aikido Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:07:16 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/#comment-4564 [...] Battojutsu, what he thinks are the mechanics behind the unbendable arm.  He watched the video at http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm.  Here’s an excerpt of what he said: … let’s talk about the video a bit.  [...] [...] Battojutsu, what he thinks are the mechanics behind the unbendable arm.  He watched the video at http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm.  Here’s an excerpt of what he said: … let’s talk about the video a bit.  [...]

]]> By: Erin http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/comment-page-1/#comment-4555 Erin Thu, 06 Sep 2007 00:23:35 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-bend-an-unbendable-arm/#comment-4555 Holy cow, you can tell it's been a long day when I struggle to figure out what 4+9 is. Hopefully this isn't your way of screening out the slower bunch! After Priscilla Palmer's self development list Jenny and I have decided to try to help build the self development community. So we are holding a little contest. I would like to invite you, and anyone else interested, to find out more details at <a href="http://jenny-and-erin.com/2007/09/win-a-25-gift-certificate/" rel="nofollow">Win a $25 Gift Certificate.</a> Holy cow, you can tell it’s been a long day when I struggle to figure out what 4+9 is. Hopefully this isn’t your way of screening out the slower bunch!

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