Comments on: Another Boring Example of Nonviolent Self-Defense http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/ Martial arts for personal development Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:51:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Penn and Teller: Two Morons Learn Martial Arts http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/#comment-12270 Penn and Teller: Two Morons Learn Martial Arts Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:01:31 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/?p=2022#comment-12270 [...] a martial artist stops a crime before it has even started, there is no headline. Martial arts help us to avoid becoming a victim, by teaching us to stop [...] [...] a martial artist stops a crime before it has even started, there is no headline. Martial arts help us to avoid becoming a victim, by teaching us to stop [...]

]]> By: phil doherty http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/#comment-12143 phil doherty Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:04:41 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/?p=2022#comment-12143 To Elberry - actually you are NOT obliged to tell anyone you do martial arts before defending yourself under the law. This is a misconception that habitually does the rounds and is a myth. You have the same right to defend yourself as anyone else - and the same responsibilities. It is true however, that the cops and courts do take a dim view on martial artists defending themselves...I believe, and this is just my thoughts, because they believe what they see on the movies and expect martial artists to be able restrain people instead of giving them a kicking. Its really ignorance because if you've got a couple of scrotes on your case the first thing you need to do is drop one of them quickly and not tie yourself up trying to restrain one of them while the other is attempting to kick the oroverbial out of you. The police actually have police officers who are trained martial artists who go to court in these cases and give evidence whether you were over the top or not. (Two of these officers appeared in the Darren Day court case when he was fouind guilty of carrying an offence weapon - and they singly got it wrong stating that the kubotan he had was an offensive weapon. It wasn't because the only kubotan banned under the law is HOLLOW kubotans. Day's was solid and he should appeal!). I agree that its best to talk your way out (or use a stare in this case) rather than fight. That's why all my students have to attend a conflict resolution training course as part of their grades in street combat. In my eyes yourself and the other poster who walked away are true martial artists - you don't NEED to fight when you know that you can fight. Its only those numpties with something to prove that feel the need to be violent. To Elberry – actually you are NOT obliged to tell anyone you do martial arts before defending yourself under the law.
This is a misconception that habitually does the rounds and is a myth.
You have the same right to defend yourself as anyone else – and the same responsibilities.
It is true however, that the cops and courts do take a dim view on martial artists defending themselves…I believe, and this is just my thoughts, because they believe what they see on the movies and expect martial artists to be able restrain people instead of giving them a kicking. Its really ignorance because if you’ve got a couple of scrotes on your case the first thing you need to do is drop one of them quickly and not tie yourself up trying to restrain one of them while the other is attempting to kick the oroverbial out of you.
The police actually have police officers who are trained martial artists who go to court in these cases and give evidence whether you were over the top or not. (Two of these officers appeared in the Darren Day court case when he was fouind guilty of carrying an offence weapon – and they singly got it wrong stating that the kubotan he had was an offensive weapon. It wasn’t because the only kubotan banned under the law is HOLLOW kubotans. Day’s was solid and he should appeal!).
I agree that its best to talk your way out (or use a stare in this case) rather than fight. That’s why all my students have to attend a conflict resolution training course as part of their grades in street combat.
In my eyes yourself and the other poster who walked away are true martial artists – you don’t NEED to fight when you know that you can fight. Its only those numpties with something to prove that feel the need to be violent.

]]> By: Ben W http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/#comment-11668 Ben W Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:55:17 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/?p=2022#comment-11668 Nothing magical or mystical about using martial arts technique to solve the problem. A good solution came from Truth and understanding. I appreciate this story. Thank you. Nothing magical or mystical about using martial arts technique to solve the problem. A good solution came from Truth and understanding.

I appreciate this story. Thank you.

]]> By: Struggling Muso http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/#comment-11665 Struggling Muso Sun, 11 Apr 2010 05:13:10 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/?p=2022#comment-11665 Interesting story, thanks for sharing... Obviously confidence and psychology play an important part! Interesting story, thanks for sharing… Obviously confidence and psychology play an important part!

]]> By: Death to the Bloodless Victory! http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/#comment-11581 Death to the Bloodless Victory! Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:02:35 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/?p=2022#comment-11581 [...] good folks at Aikido Journal recently picked up one of my self-defense anecdotes, considering it an interesting example of real-world Aikido [...] [...] good folks at Aikido Journal recently picked up one of my self-defense anecdotes, considering it an interesting example of real-world Aikido [...]

]]> By: sergio nuno http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/#comment-11540 sergio nuno Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:00:17 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/?p=2022#comment-11540 Good story! Thanks for sharing! Greetings from a friend in portugal nuno Good story!
Thanks for sharing!
Greetings from a friend in portugal
nuno

]]> By: “Another Boring Example of Nonviolent Self-Defense,” by Chris Pearson http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/#comment-11538 “Another Boring Example of Nonviolent Self-Defense,” by Chris Pearson Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:01:56 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/?p=2022#comment-11538 [...] Click here to read entire article. [...] [...] Click here to read entire article. [...]

]]> By: Chris http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/#comment-11376 Chris Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:04:07 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/?p=2022#comment-11376 To understand this phenomenon, we need to frame it properly--to look at it through the eyes of the bullies, the cowards, and the other petty, self-serving individuals who all work together to set the rules of the game. When a person stands up to defend themselves against abuse, they are violating the territory staked by various social justice organizations--and those organizations are the toughest gangs around. The law says you should not be assaulted. So when you stop an assault<em> on yourself</em>, you are enforcing the law without proper credentials or authorization. Therefore you are a dangerous vigilante! And you are threatening the jobs of decent, hard-working men and women in law enforcement. Why do you want to increase unemployment, with the economy in such a fragile state? And you are changing society's expectations for other potential victims, some of whom are more than satisfied with their lot. Are they now supposed to<em> risk their own lives</em> in the service of self-defense? Haven't they suffered enough already? Sir, you are a monster! ;) To understand this phenomenon, we need to frame it properly–to look at it through the eyes of the bullies, the cowards, and the other petty, self-serving individuals who all work together to set the rules of the game.

When a person stands up to defend themselves against abuse, they are violating the territory staked by various social justice organizations–and those organizations are the toughest gangs around.

The law says you should not be assaulted. So when you stop an assault on yourself, you are enforcing the law without proper credentials or authorization. Therefore you are a dangerous vigilante!

And you are threatening the jobs of decent, hard-working men and women in law enforcement. Why do you want to increase unemployment, with the economy in such a fragile state?

And you are changing society’s expectations for other potential victims, some of whom are more than satisfied with their lot. Are they now supposed to risk their own lives in the service of self-defense? Haven’t they suffered enough already?

Sir, you are a monster! ;)

]]> By: elberry http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/#comment-11366 elberry Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:42:47 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/?p=2022#comment-11366 i heard a similar tale from my Tai Chi instructor in 2004. He was doing Tai Chi in a park and 3 or 4 chavs (urban underclass) challenged him to a fight. He left. When people said he should have kicked their asses he pointed out that in England the police are not sympathetic to martial arts instructors and given he lived about 30 seconds away, and was listed on a nationwide martial arts website, it was better to just walk away. i believe the law in England states that if you are a martial arts instructor, you are obliged to apprise assailants of this fact otherwise you will be to blame, legally. So if someone runs at you with a broken beer bottle you have to say, "my good man, I should warn you that I'm a karate instructor, please reconsider this rash course of action" - otherwise he can then sue you for assault. i heard a similar tale from my Tai Chi instructor in 2004. He was doing Tai Chi in a park and 3 or 4 chavs (urban underclass) challenged him to a fight. He left. When people said he should have kicked their asses he pointed out that in England the police are not sympathetic to martial arts instructors and given he lived about 30 seconds away, and was listed on a nationwide martial arts website, it was better to just walk away.

i believe the law in England states that if you are a martial arts instructor, you are obliged to apprise assailants of this fact otherwise you will be to blame, legally. So if someone runs at you with a broken beer bottle you have to say, “my good man, I should warn you that I’m a karate instructor, please reconsider this rash course of action” – otherwise he can then sue you for assault.

]]> By: Mitch http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/example-of-nonviolent-self-defense/#comment-11334 Mitch Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:02:00 +0000 http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/?p=2022#comment-11334 Awesome story! I did enjoy the moral dilemma that all martial artists face when it comes down to actual combat that you mentioned, so very true. I'm glad the situation was resolved peacefully though. As a side note I'd like to mention that not all Taekwondo schools aim for "smashing bad guys" but I do understand where you're coming from. My school for instance focuses on a peaceful solution whenever necessary. I suppose it all depends on the teachers ethics no matter the martial art. Awesome story! I did enjoy the moral dilemma that all martial artists face when it comes down to actual combat that you mentioned, so very true. I’m glad the situation was resolved peacefully though.

As a side note I’d like to mention that not all Taekwondo schools aim for “smashing bad guys” but I do understand where you’re coming from. My school for instance focuses on a peaceful solution whenever necessary. I suppose it all depends on the teachers ethics no matter the martial art.

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