Comments on: Reflections on Bruce Lee’s Water: Does Skill Actually Matter?

By: FreddyLiang

FreddyLiang — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:38:08 +0000

and what u see in Pierre Hartmann
its almost the same to Bruce lee phlosiphy
needed the shortest mount of time to take down ur oppent
u see machine guns like what Pierre Hartmann
was trying to do the most dmg in a short amount of time and take down ur oopent.

By: FreddyLiang

FreddyLiang — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:35:20 +0000

Flowing like Water . u guys got that wrong.
what bruce really mean by flowing like water its Ur Mind.
Morden Fighting thinks To much.
what i meant to said its Like Boxing.
u always need to remember Combination or W/e Combo 1,2 ish.
Bruce wanted u to use all Skills without a sec of thinking and just Do it with ur Body. its like returning urself in the nature.

By: Human to God

Human to God — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:23:22 +0000

I agree with Wayne.
To flow like water means to adapt.
Which means use peace if needed and deadly force if needed.

I study JKD. And it is not the style but the fighter. And plenty of other factors. The point Lee was making is why use a kick when a grapple or punch is more efficient.

Look at the UFC. They use what works. And I have seen the dasted knockouts and forced submissions when one person overcompensates or misses an attack and the other capitalizes.

Like Kimbo Slice vs. Seth Petruzi(sp?) Kimbo overstepped on the punch and got dropped. Seth took advantage quickly and decisively won.

Thats why I respect fighting arts more than anything else.
Because unlike civilized society, one actually has to skill to win a real fight. Even the old west gunslingers had to be fast on the draw with good aim as well.

By: B from Aus

B from Aus — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:50:03 +0000

Hi,
This is a pretty old posting but I thought I’d put my 2cents in this. I agree with what Marks said (the first post) in relation to what Bruce Lee meant by water. I don’t think he meant it in the way a person should move but more like in the sense that you should be able to adapt to different types of situations/scenarios so you can fight different types of people who use different fighting styles. As Marks stated, if you are a Judo guy it does not mean you should have to try and throw the person if the circumstance calls for something more effective.

And yes, there have been some interviews where the interviewee (forgot who it was) stated that the way Bruce does his fighting sequence on the silver screen is not the same as what he would do in real life. He exagerrates all his movements for the audience.

By: Chris

Chris — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:05:12 +0000

Yes, the second link is correct. And if I remember correctly, Mike Stone tells the same story as Joe Lewis.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 05:56:25 +0000

Joe Lewis, not to be confused with the professional boxer Joe Louis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Louis
http://www.joelewisfightingsystems.com/ <– (is this even the right guy??)

Just thought I should post that in case anyone gets confused, as I was for a moment.

By: Chris

Chris — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:04:02 +0000

And, by the way Bruce Lee fought some boxers during his life. In fact, he yas a Hong Kong boxing champion in his youth. But you said in this website he never fought with a boxer, so either you lied or you do not know the facts before making a judgement.

I actually said he never fought a professional boxer. From a 1998 interview with Joe Lewis:

Mike Miles: I have read stories about Bruce Lee competing in international boxing while he was in high school in Hong Kong. Any truth? Joe Lewis: I do not believe this to be true. Bruce and I loved international boxing and he never told me this. Watch the early films of him in America working the heavy bag and you will see that he is hitting using Wing Chun punches. He is not delivering like a boxer. Mike Miles: How about the propagation of the JKD style and how they criticize other Martial Arts styles. No I want to articulate more. How do you feel about the way the JKD pundits criticize Kickboxing? Joe Lewis: None of the JKD guys at the time competed. I do not mean this in a negative light but none ever tested their JKD against any other styles and fighters. Not one of them had a professional fight record. They all talk theory but that is the extent of it. There is "no functioning in the line of fire!" Mike Miles: What about Bruce Lee and when you trained with him? Did you guys never spar? Joe Lewis: Bruce never sparred with me or any of the other name fighters from the 1960's (Norris, etc.). Mike Miles: Then how did you learn from him? Joe Lewis: We would spend hours going over fight drills. That was the extent of the physical training between Bruce and I. Mike Miles: Do comments like this put friction in between you and the JKD guys? Joe Lewis: Many of the lower eschelon have bad mouthed me for years any way. These people who talk this way have never even met me. More importantly, none of them were around when Bruce was around and none have ever fought. Recently, one of the few JKD guys who has treated me with respect is Richard Bustillo. I know he loves and supports boxing but I do not know what his fight skills are like.

Can you name one professional boxer that Bruce Lee ever matched with?

You also said that most people who rejects “energy healing” have religious beliefs.

Where do I say this? Provide your source, so that I can respond properly, or find the courage to admit that you misquoted me yet again. (By the way, most people in any sample group have religious beliefs.)

By: Jack

Jack — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:20:04 +0000

So you do not understand a bit about the “water” metaphor, so it is false?. And this said in a website that champions katas in karate, tai-chi, chi-qung and all that bulls***. I sense a bit of inferiority complex here. Maybe is because you know that what you practise is just bullshido. Nothing else. You should better start practising some REAL martial arts and then you would begin to understand.
And, by the way Bruce Lee fought some boxers during his life. In fact, he yas a Hong Kong boxing champion in his youth. But you said in this website he never fought with a boxer, so either you lied or you do not know the facts before making a judgement.
You also said that most people who rejects “energy healing” have religious beliefs. Yes, of course, and the supporters of KKK are mostly afro-american people. “Energy healing” is just a superstition. There is no proof of its eficiency, in fact there is no proof of it working AT ALL. Is just an ancient superstition, like taichi and chiqung. Most people who rejects “energy healing” have a brain and know who to use it.
Bruce Lee was more of a martial artist than all generations of taichi masters. Stop difamating him and start looking to yourselves.
Sorry for my fractured english, is not my native language.

By: waqas ali

waqas ali — Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:56:27 +0000

how to develop yourself to make you strong in judo and kungfu
some useful techniques used in every style?

By: Kungfuguy

Kungfuguy — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:12:54 +0000

karrie thank you for mentionaing rain because rain is awsome i try to do most of my martial arts training in the rain or when it is cold and dark because stroms are awsome GO RAIN AND STORMS AND LIGHTING OH AND THUNDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!