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		<title>By: Rabid Monkeys vs. Ninjas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabid Monkeys vs. Ninjas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Date: Mar 2008Location: It&#039;s because I actually HAVE those skills!Posts: 21,319 Are You Smart Enough to Fight a Monkey?  Ask THIS poor bastard and get back to me.   I have NEVER heard of a Ninja ripping a set of balls [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

I am sorry to hear about your  unfortunate dog attack. Hopefully you were able to get the owner to pay a good some not only for your damages but any other ancillary annoyances you incurred (hey that&#039;s what the laws were made for)

But there is however a very good strategy with dogs that you can use:

  You said on your back you got a good foot on the dog which--using leverage w your back perpendicular to the ground--was able to hurl the dog away...which is good...but without that owner there to help you out that dog would of landed, recovered, and been back on you while all you got was tired...

Dogs are a funny breed cause you&#039;d think just kick them in the head and they&#039;ll back off; but this isn&#039;t the case...as with our primate cousins (and just about all skeletal creatures) we have evloved thick ass skulls to protect our mushy computers that enable us to think. As well, we lack pain receptors in the brain so only the very thin skin/fat layer is all we really feel (ever see a gunshot victim in the head walking around &amp; talking normally? (assuming nothing critical was destroyed  initially)) I have...

So what&#039;s the secret??? The paws...a dogs paws are like our elbows: they go one way easy but the other way it does not move... This eables cujo to run real fast cause he can leverage his weight on the sitffness of his paw when the paw is on the floor... So paw can let loose downwards...but upwards... It will not move...

That is unless you grab that little thing and use all your strength to pull that &quot;puppy&quot; upwards...trust me it WILL work... Let him bite you as much as we wants in your arm/leg/whatever... The once you pull that paw upwards the dog will not only feel it but know very quickly that without the paw; his leverage in weight will be zero and he will lose immediately...some people think punching a dog in the nose works but all you&#039;ll get is a hand full of teeth 

Think like our monkey cousins...there is no such thing as dirty fighting in the wild...there is a winner &amp; loser only ....lol. A dogs MO is to bite and then aggressively shake to rip out what he&#039;s chewed... If a dog latches on to you: you will have some precious time to go for those skinny little legs they have while he&#039;s doing his thing... Monkeys are more dangerous cause they use/know multiple weak points (dogs use the neck btw) so if they miss one they will go for the other without much time elapsing ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>I am sorry to hear about your  unfortunate dog attack. Hopefully you were able to get the owner to pay a good some not only for your damages but any other ancillary annoyances you incurred (hey that&#8217;s what the laws were made for)</p>
<p>But there is however a very good strategy with dogs that you can use:</p>
<p>  You said on your back you got a good foot on the dog which&#8211;using leverage w your back perpendicular to the ground&#8211;was able to hurl the dog away&#8230;which is good&#8230;but without that owner there to help you out that dog would of landed, recovered, and been back on you while all you got was tired&#8230;</p>
<p>Dogs are a funny breed cause you&#8217;d think just kick them in the head and they&#8217;ll back off; but this isn&#8217;t the case&#8230;as with our primate cousins (and just about all skeletal creatures) we have evloved thick ass skulls to protect our mushy computers that enable us to think. As well, we lack pain receptors in the brain so only the very thin skin/fat layer is all we really feel (ever see a gunshot victim in the head walking around &amp; talking normally? (assuming nothing critical was destroyed  initially)) I have&#8230;</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the secret??? The paws&#8230;a dogs paws are like our elbows: they go one way easy but the other way it does not move&#8230; This eables cujo to run real fast cause he can leverage his weight on the sitffness of his paw when the paw is on the floor&#8230; So paw can let loose downwards&#8230;but upwards&#8230; It will not move&#8230;</p>
<p>That is unless you grab that little thing and use all your strength to pull that &#8220;puppy&#8221; upwards&#8230;trust me it WILL work&#8230; Let him bite you as much as we wants in your arm/leg/whatever&#8230; The once you pull that paw upwards the dog will not only feel it but know very quickly that without the paw; his leverage in weight will be zero and he will lose immediately&#8230;some people think punching a dog in the nose works but all you&#8217;ll get is a hand full of teeth </p>
<p>Think like our monkey cousins&#8230;there is no such thing as dirty fighting in the wild&#8230;there is a winner &amp; loser only &#8230;.lol. A dogs MO is to bite and then aggressively shake to rip out what he&#8217;s chewed&#8230; If a dog latches on to you: you will have some precious time to go for those skinny little legs they have while he&#8217;s doing his thing&#8230; Monkeys are more dangerous cause they use/know multiple weak points (dogs use the neck btw) so if they miss one they will go for the other without much time elapsing &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Gibson</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/are-you-smart-enough-to-fight-a-monkey/#comment-14612</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha ha Love your comment above Cynos (and agree too).
I like this thread, it reminds me of the old martial artist versus a knife/armed attacker scenario - where everyone thinks they would be able to act like this or that, but the reality is likely to be far more appalling.
Incedetally, I was attacked by a dog the other day, totally unprevoked - the first thing I knew was that I had been bitten on the upper arm. 
I&#039;m a trained martial artist but the ferocity of the attack shocked me. I tried to ward it off, and the owner tried to restrain it but the animal was frenzied and far too strong for him.
At some point, the worst thing happened, it was on a narrow woodland path and my retreat took me into a briar patch where I tripped and fell over backwards.
The dog attacked again and fortunately I had the werewithall to stay on my back long enough to boot the beast sraight in the face as it re attacked. This hurt it and sent it back to the owner who then managed to restrain it.
I was very (VERY) shaken up and shocked and had about 16 puncture wounds in my arm from the initial bite.
The dog was a German Shepard crossed with a Rhodisian Ridgeback, clever brave and dangerous as as I now know.
I&#039;ve never owned a dog and so have very little experience of how to deal with an attack. 
The same would be true, of most people, for almost any wild animal attack - esp a large chimp.
Call in Steve Cadaver I say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha ha Love your comment above Cynos (and agree too).<br />
I like this thread, it reminds me of the old martial artist versus a knife/armed attacker scenario &#8211; where everyone thinks they would be able to act like this or that, but the reality is likely to be far more appalling.<br />
Incedetally, I was attacked by a dog the other day, totally unprevoked &#8211; the first thing I knew was that I had been bitten on the upper arm.<br />
I&#8217;m a trained martial artist but the ferocity of the attack shocked me. I tried to ward it off, and the owner tried to restrain it but the animal was frenzied and far too strong for him.<br />
At some point, the worst thing happened, it was on a narrow woodland path and my retreat took me into a briar patch where I tripped and fell over backwards.<br />
The dog attacked again and fortunately I had the werewithall to stay on my back long enough to boot the beast sraight in the face as it re attacked. This hurt it and sent it back to the owner who then managed to restrain it.<br />
I was very (VERY) shaken up and shocked and had about 16 puncture wounds in my arm from the initial bite.<br />
The dog was a German Shepard crossed with a Rhodisian Ridgeback, clever brave and dangerous as as I now know.<br />
I&#8217;ve never owned a dog and so have very little experience of how to deal with an attack.<br />
The same would be true, of most people, for almost any wild animal attack &#8211; esp a large chimp.<br />
Call in Steve Cadaver I say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cynos</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/are-you-smart-enough-to-fight-a-monkey/#comment-14609</link>
		<dc:creator>cynos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 02:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>william,

If you believe that story, then you need to be supervised in your day-to-day life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>william,</p>
<p>If you believe that story, then you need to be supervised in your day-to-day life.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Arles</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/are-you-smart-enough-to-fight-a-monkey/#comment-14551</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Arles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 23:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would prefer to have a chainsaw, over any other weapon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would prefer to have a chainsaw, over any other weapon.</p>
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		<title>By: Martial arts against animals? :: Martial What?</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/are-you-smart-enough-to-fight-a-monkey/#comment-14341</link>
		<dc:creator>Martial arts against animals? :: Martial What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 23:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have recently been commenting a post titled: Are You Smart Enough to Fight a Monkey? I found very interesting the different points of view of various people that contributed with their [...]</description>
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		<title>By: will</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/are-you-smart-enough-to-fight-a-monkey/#comment-13158</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 23:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way and the best chance to fight a chimpanzee is to jab its eyes or gouging it which would causes extreme pain and possibly blindness which is however the best chance you have got barehanded. Its far better to be armed with a weapon such as a sword which can decapitate the chimpanzee or a shotgun which will kill it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way and the best chance to fight a chimpanzee is to jab its eyes or gouging it which would causes extreme pain and possibly blindness which is however the best chance you have got barehanded. Its far better to be armed with a weapon such as a sword which can decapitate the chimpanzee or a shotgun which will kill it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/are-you-smart-enough-to-fight-a-monkey/#comment-12722</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 03:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree w B N &amp; Jaime... Monkeys have millions of years of evolution of being in the wild using their bodies...what&#039;s our evolutionary advantage (that only some monkeys only have begun to show)?? TOOLS....tools tools tools!!! If you had a sword a stupid ass monkey would still get in close proximity to rip out your appendages-- unaware that your &quot;stick&quot; is a very large and sharp &quot;tooth&quot;... Plus if you had a silly mask that you wear on the back of your head, the dumb ass monkeys would think you had too heads &amp; would be wary of approaching you from behind ( deception is what separates monkeys from other &quot;higher&quot; mammals)... Thus giving you a very high advantage...it is obvious a Human in a monkeys &quot;element&quot; will lose...that&#039;s why we are smart enough to bring our tools with us...even pepper spray could probably ward off an entire crowd of monkeys (esp if you hit the alpha male and he books it)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree w B N &amp; Jaime&#8230; Monkeys have millions of years of evolution of being in the wild using their bodies&#8230;what&#8217;s our evolutionary advantage (that only some monkeys only have begun to show)?? TOOLS&#8230;.tools tools tools!!! If you had a sword a stupid ass monkey would still get in close proximity to rip out your appendages&#8211; unaware that your &#8220;stick&#8221; is a very large and sharp &#8220;tooth&#8221;&#8230; Plus if you had a silly mask that you wear on the back of your head, the dumb ass monkeys would think you had too heads &amp; would be wary of approaching you from behind ( deception is what separates monkeys from other &#8220;higher&#8221; mammals)&#8230; Thus giving you a very high advantage&#8230;it is obvious a Human in a monkeys &#8220;element&#8221; will lose&#8230;that&#8217;s why we are smart enough to bring our tools with us&#8230;even pepper spray could probably ward off an entire crowd of monkeys (esp if you hit the alpha male and he books it)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
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		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 05:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a story of a man who as his initiation ritual killed a lion using only his bare hands ripping out its tongue:http://maizebreak.com/regional/article/15 . If a chimps bite is comparable enough to a lion and jaws wide enough then you can kill the chimp by ripping out its tongue just when it lunges at you  Strength and balls factored in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a story of a man who as his initiation ritual killed a lion using only his bare hands ripping out its tongue:<a href="http://maizebreak.com/regional/article/15" rel="nofollow">http://maizebreak.com/regional/article/15</a> . If a chimps bite is comparable enough to a lion and jaws wide enough then you can kill the chimp by ripping out its tongue just when it lunges at you  Strength and balls factored in.</p>
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		<title>By: B N</title>
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		<dc:creator>B N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got to back up &quot;Jamie Clubb&quot; on this one.  A human, ANY HUMAN, would be hard pressed to defeat a chimp in unarmed conflict if the chimp was invested in the fight.  The only way you could possibly win would be by taking advantage of things like terrain or weapons.  A chimp has a muscle density of 4 or 5 times a human.  

Simply put, a chimp is about 4 times stronger than a person of equivalent weight and they have a bite strength sufficient to sever limbs.  Using their hands alone they can crush human bone.  And they&#039;re smart enough to immediately attack to disable, with their first targets being the hands, face, feet, and genitals.  A straight up fight with one of these things would work out like when that really big guy tried to arm wrestle Jeff Goldblum in &quot;The Fly.&quot;  Bone would break skin, human would go into shock.

With that said, it is theoretically possible to beat a chimp one on one.  If you were allowed to ambush one, I think it would be relatively straight forward for a well trained person to take down a chimp.  It&#039;s cheap, but it&#039;s probably doable.   You&#039;d probably need to kill it though.  Break its neck or pierce its brain via its eye, and you&#039;d probably only get one shot at it.  One could probably also hurt a curious/hostile chimp enough to dissuade it from attacking further.  I don&#039;t know if that counts as a &quot;win&quot; but in a real situation, I&#039;d consider that a MAJOR win.  If you can prevent a potentially hostile chimp from trying to attack you, you have just won your life.  So maybe if one had a good knowledge of chimp-pressure points and got in one good hit, that could make it decide to get lost and fight somebody else.

But, in a real fight, where the chimp is driven to kill you?  You won&#039;t win that one with your hands.  They&#039;re too fast and too strong.  Nobody would be quick enough to avoid having it close on them, and once it was in range and got you in its grip things would be all over.  Limbs would be crippled, eyes would be gouged, etc.  

In that case, your best offense would be a good defense.  Probably the most effective way to kill a chimp would be to push it into deep water or off a cliff.   Chimps can&#039;t swim.  It&#039;s actually impossible for them.  That muscle density that makes them so strong?  It makes them negatively buoyant.   They sink.  Throw one in the water and it will go to the bottom.  Game over.  It will probably also freak out and thrash around aimlessly.  So, if a chimp grabs you your best chance is probably to throw both of you into some deep water.  It will hopefully let you go as it sinks and you can escape.   Does that count as a win?  Because that&#039;s probably about the best outcome you&#039;re going to get in a hand to hand context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got to back up &#8220;Jamie Clubb&#8221; on this one.  A human, ANY HUMAN, would be hard pressed to defeat a chimp in unarmed conflict if the chimp was invested in the fight.  The only way you could possibly win would be by taking advantage of things like terrain or weapons.  A chimp has a muscle density of 4 or 5 times a human.  </p>
<p>Simply put, a chimp is about 4 times stronger than a person of equivalent weight and they have a bite strength sufficient to sever limbs.  Using their hands alone they can crush human bone.  And they&#8217;re smart enough to immediately attack to disable, with their first targets being the hands, face, feet, and genitals.  A straight up fight with one of these things would work out like when that really big guy tried to arm wrestle Jeff Goldblum in &#8220;The Fly.&#8221;  Bone would break skin, human would go into shock.</p>
<p>With that said, it is theoretically possible to beat a chimp one on one.  If you were allowed to ambush one, I think it would be relatively straight forward for a well trained person to take down a chimp.  It&#8217;s cheap, but it&#8217;s probably doable.   You&#8217;d probably need to kill it though.  Break its neck or pierce its brain via its eye, and you&#8217;d probably only get one shot at it.  One could probably also hurt a curious/hostile chimp enough to dissuade it from attacking further.  I don&#8217;t know if that counts as a &#8220;win&#8221; but in a real situation, I&#8217;d consider that a MAJOR win.  If you can prevent a potentially hostile chimp from trying to attack you, you have just won your life.  So maybe if one had a good knowledge of chimp-pressure points and got in one good hit, that could make it decide to get lost and fight somebody else.</p>
<p>But, in a real fight, where the chimp is driven to kill you?  You won&#8217;t win that one with your hands.  They&#8217;re too fast and too strong.  Nobody would be quick enough to avoid having it close on them, and once it was in range and got you in its grip things would be all over.  Limbs would be crippled, eyes would be gouged, etc.  </p>
<p>In that case, your best offense would be a good defense.  Probably the most effective way to kill a chimp would be to push it into deep water or off a cliff.   Chimps can&#8217;t swim.  It&#8217;s actually impossible for them.  That muscle density that makes them so strong?  It makes them negatively buoyant.   They sink.  Throw one in the water and it will go to the bottom.  Game over.  It will probably also freak out and thrash around aimlessly.  So, if a chimp grabs you your best chance is probably to throw both of you into some deep water.  It will hopefully let you go as it sinks and you can escape.   Does that count as a win?  Because that&#8217;s probably about the best outcome you&#8217;re going to get in a hand to hand context.</p>
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